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cbu Valued Member Canada 94 Posts	Posted 07/10/2012 1:18 pm I've come across a few situations about pictures... 1) Others using my pictures to sell their coins on ebay... Really not concerned about the use of my pictures in this case ... as such listings are not my responsibility, as I am not the seller... 2) Someone using my picture to present-their-point-of-view to fellow hobbyists in a bi-weekly coin publication... Really not concerned about the use of my pictures in this case ... as such things are done to further the hobby, in my opinion... 3) Pierre Charest utilizing my pictures within the pages of his publication... * Really not concerned about the use of my pictures in this case ... as he has my written permission to do so... 4) I did utilize pictures of the Pittman-type 10Â¢ dot that were posted on the internet, to present my observations to fellow hobbyists... * The exercise was done on a coin-chat-forum and the results from such were as I believed they would be ... I ask others to spot the differences, showed the obverse of the coins first and participation was brisk ... then I showed the reverse of the coins and the participation dropped-off... There are occasions when we cannot provide our own pictures of a given subject ... don't have an example of the coin, don't have the means to take a picture, picture taking skills need improving, etc... I know I am unable to own an example of every-coin that exists... I know I've blown-up more than one electronic usb microscope with my only-to-great-special-modifications : ) and worn-out more than one scanner along-the-way, which leaves me without, until I can replace same... And I certainly remember well, all the poking-of-fun that others enjoyed at my expense over my picture taking skills ... when I was just beginning to learn about such things : )... These coin-chat-forums are a good example of occasion to utilize the pictures of others, in my opinion ... as they are specifically for the purpose to further the hobby as a whole... The very act of providing a "link" to somewhere today is helpful for the short-term, but the "link" may not always be there tomorrow ( ebay especially), which does not always make it helpful for the long-term ... I for one to be counted ... would much prefer that my fellow hobbyists utilize my actual pictures, to assist them in presenting-their-views to be made... dts... "Don't judge me by my past, I don't live there anymore"-cds change-1 >> Line spacing correction... Edited by cbu 07/10/2012 1:23 pm Report this Post to the Staff
oih82w8 Pillar of the Community United States 7840 Posts	Posted 07/10/2012 2:06 pm I ask permission from the originating source before using their images. There are occasions that I did not get a response and I posted the source below the images. I have not had one person say "no" yet. I even ask for the uploaded images (from photobcket or other sites) from coins that I win on ebay. Edited by oih82w8 07/10/2012 2:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff
stevex6 Pillar of the Community 3352 Posts	Posted 07/10/2012 6:44 pm Phew!! => luckily most of my photos really suck, so I don't have to worry about getting mad ... => but smiling babies ... oh man, they really do look a bit too smug in their little smiley-faces, don't they!! ... thanks for that chuckle Report this Post to the Staff
snaggle New Member Canada 8 Posts	Posted 07/11/2012 11:00 am As a photographer I expect to be asked to use my photos and the possibility of financial compensation depending on the intended use. As for people wanting to shoot photos of your coin, in the stock photo business there is actual a form called a property release that is required to use specific items, ie, if I was to use a model car in a photo shoot I need a release from the manufacture, but I used 10 model cars made by different manufactures I don't need a release. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 07/11/2012 11:30 am Quote: As a photographer I expect to be asked to use my photos and the possibility of financial compensation depending on the intended use. You have to be careful with this, especially if you are photographing coins that the Royal Canadian Mint holds the copyright to. http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/about...erty-1800010 That said, what we are creating is classified as "derivative works". We are, in essence, copying what the engravers and the Royal Canadian Mint hold the copyright to. We can take all the photos you want, of their "art" but we cannot claim copyright or gain financially from images of their coins. You could claim copyright, for example from groups of coins that follow a theme (e.g., animals, or ships from all over world), or creating art using coins, by arranging Loon dollars in the shape of a loon, or digitally adding colour to coins. Should you want to claim copyright, using a coin from the Royal Canadian Mint, you have to use this form: http://www.mint.ca/store/dyn/PDFs/R...ation_v1.pdf The image on our modern coins dates from 1937, when it was created by one George Kruger Gray who died in 1943. In any event, s. 12 of the Copyright Act would put the image into the public domain no later than 50 years from creation, namely in 1987, assuming that the Mint, in 1937, was an emanation of the Crown under the direction and control of His Majesty, as Her Majesty then was. And even if that isn't right for whatever reason, any possible copyright that Mr. Gray could have had would have expired and gone into the public domain no later than 1993, fifty years after he expired. Those images are now in the public domain. Even so, the Royal Canadian Mint claims ownership of all images of those coins. Here is a recent example... http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/566...l-government I am sure there is a legal agreement in place with the RCNA and Trajan Publishing (Canadian Coin News) and the RCM regarding images used in the CN Journal. I know that the Charlton Press also has such an agreement. The mint turns a blind eye on most other published likeness of their images, but I would not try to flex copyright muscle with something you do not own. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
bosox Pillar of the Community United States 1353 Posts	Posted 07/11/2012 2:15 pm Quote: These coin-chat-forums are a good example of occasion to utilize the pictures of others, in my opinion ... as they are specifically for the purpose to further the hobby as a whole... Although I understand the sentiment, in many cases I think this runs afoul of copyright. As a separate issue, failure to cite the source could be construed as plagiarism. The loose consideration of copyright in chatrooms is wrong, but doesn't surprise me. I think many people just do not think about intellectual property rights when they are posting something. What does surprise me is how many otherwise respectable numismatic publications seemingly ignore such things when publishing articles from independent authors. http://www.victoriancent.com 2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA. Report this Post to the Staff
cbu Valued Member Canada 94 Posts	Posted 07/12/2012 10:03 am "Although I understand the sentiment, in many cases I think this runs afoul of copyright. << >> I think many people just do not think about intellectual property rights when they are posting something."-bosox Agreed and this does present a "shackle & chain" twist to the furtherance of the hobby through discussion... So, if I give permission for others to use my pictures for discussion purposes on this chat-site (which I do) and others follow in kind....... As for the "ethics-bar-set" by respectable numismatic publications ... all I can say is... If I were "charging" for my publication and taking in "advertising dollars" ... I would like-to-believe that I would pay-closer attention to such-things ... but, only by being in the actual situation, would I know for certain... dts... Report this Post to the Staff
Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2889 Posts	Posted 07/12/2012 10:26 am When writing my book I obtained permission for every image that was not mine. It wasn't particually formal - just an email exchange. Not one person said no - though one collector was very particular about giving a detailed acknowledgement (the coin wasn't particually exciting and I was actually tempted to leave it out and look for another image because they were being precious). The images that I took have been used in publications elsewhere - and I have no problem with that as they were all educational type works - most asked for permission anyway. Basicially my view is to be as open and helpful to people as possible, and unless they are involved in some fraud or blatent profiteering I have no issue with anyone using my images. You can't take them with you after all. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff
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