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Quarter Struck Through Thin Cent Layer

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Just this morning I noticed that my 1979 quarter illustrated below was struck through something smaller than a quarter layer so I got a cent, dime and nickel and laid them over the struck through area as the pictures show below. It was easy to see that the struck through area exactly matched the arc of the cent. This make an interesting error even more special. Thought I would share since this dual denomination occurrence is quite scarce.

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 Posted 07/21/2012  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not struck through a cent.
Struck through something the same size as a cent.
Nice find.
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DBM.....The odds of it being struck through something the exact size of a cent are very slim. The odds of it being struck through a thin cent planchet lamination/defective planchet that matches up perfectly are high. What would you suggest would be hanging around the mint press other than what I described above. Seems obvious to me but maybe I am missing something.
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 Posted 07/21/2012  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In any case, an interesting error of sorts. Should get plenty of discussion here.
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 Posted 07/21/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if it was struck through a penny (or penny sized object) wouldnt the rim of the quarter be deformed?
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The rim area is held in place by the collar. It's hard to tell from the picture but the struck through area does follow across the rim area. The blank planchet was thin enough to allow the rim area to be struck up although not as strong. The best evidence of this is to look at the top rim area on the photo of the dime laying across the subject coin.
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 Posted 07/21/2012  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorone2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion this isn't an error . The surfaces of the "error" part is not correct . Looks to be acid or something similar .
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Thanks for your opinion but I wasn't posting this for comments to whether its an error or not. I was posting for people to see something unusual. I have been involved in errors for over 30 years and this struck through example is a relatively common error type, especially in US coins where clad layers split apart from clad planchets and make their way into the striking chamber. The scarcity part is that its struck through what I believe is a thin cent planchet. The surface looks exactly how a struck through error of this type is supposed to look like. I am 100% sure of the error type and 99% that is struck through a thin cent planchet. Most Canadian error collectors are not real familiar with this type since it occurs more often on US Error coins. Google "struck through clad layer error" and I am sure you will see other types like this one.
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Your quarter and the 1cent of that era are not clad,the quarter is 100% nickel and cents were solid bronze.
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DBM....thanks for your input but I never said the Canadian coins were. I was only using the US clad layer coinage as examples of how this error type can occur and what is looks like. Since this error type is much scarcer on Canadian coinage, I don't have any Canadian examples to reference. I am well familiar with coin specifications for both US and Canada coinage, primarily from specializing in off metal/wrong planchets errors.
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You still need to determine where a thin one cent "planchet" would come from. I don't think it is something you can just assume. It's the critical piece of the puzzle.

If such a thing existed, then there should be examples of blank and struck from 1920-1996.

Out of curiosity, how thin would it have to be?


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I would send a pm to Mike Diamond. I'm sure he would have insite.
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 Posted 07/21/2012  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorone2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zimmy - could you post a better image ? It doesn't look like an error to me .
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Here is a close up of the quarter strike through as well as images of a Lincoln Cent I had in my collection that was split before struck. I don't have an example of a split planchet canadian cent either struck or unstuck so the Lincoln Cent is the best example I have to illustrate that a planchet can be split to less than its normal thickness. The cent planchet that was involved with my quarter would have to have been pretty thin such as caps that strike late state capped die brockages.

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Hi zimmy

Here are some split planchet examples from my collection . Had to locate the pictures . Note in the example presented the "smoothness" of the split side . These examples are splits after/during the strike . I'll attach an image of a plit before strike also - not though the "texture" of the before strike one ( which you can see even though it is a struck piece ) .Neither scenario corresponds to your piece . I just don't see it as a struck through .



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 Posted 07/21/2012  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sixthcents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty nifty.
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