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Gold Outlook Favorable Over The Next 3 Years?

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This is an interesting(although kind of complex)look at soverign debt coming due and it's impact on gold prices. What do you think?http://www.financialsense.com/contr...-mania-begin
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 Posted 07/21/2012  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold has no where to go but up. The world is swimming in debt that can never be paid.

Prices are artificially low right now due to manipulation of COMEX contracts by the large banks. Watch the spikes in the charts almost everyday between 9 and noon EDT.
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I can see no fault in the analysis done for this article. Debt around the world is massive and pervasive. Western Europe, the UK, the US, and Japan are in DEEP financial doo. The leaders of these countries act as if they have all the time in the world to address this horrendous problem. They don't. Apparently, they have not heard the old saying that:

Gold is the money of kings.
Silver is the money of gentlemen.
Copper is the money of workers.
Debt is the money of slaves.

Considering that the incompetent politicians of the western world and Japan have created this debt monster and that they have no real answer to it, the financial future of these countries is a lot more bleak than most of their citizens know.


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Nearly 50% of the total outstanding debt of the world's top 10 debtor nations needs to be rolled over by the end of 2015.

Yes, that debt WILL roll over alright. It'll roll right over those who have spent more than they can earn or repay.

When politicians fail to grasp the simple laws of economics, we see the kind of financial situation that exists today. They spent like drunken sailors for a long time, hoping that they can enjoy all of the benefits of bringing massive amounts of pork home to their constituents while completely avoiding the responsibility of their actions. Their plan is obvious. They all want to enjoy the party while it is in full swing and then be safely dead or retired when the financial SHTF. Unfortunately for them, they have been too optimistic in this regard and less time remains in which to party than they ever thought possible. This is why a number of congress critters are bailing out and not running for re-election in 2012. They have seen the handwriting on the wall and know that it is only a short while before this financial house of cards comes tumbling down around our ears. When that happens, there will be a lot of VERY angry people looking to vent their anger on those whom they think have caused it.

If any part of this is funny, it is watching those who *think* that there is safety in ANY sovereign debt obligation. There isn't! Bailing out of European exposure only to take up UK or US exposure of the same type is just nuts. What happens in Europe will move on to the UK and then to the US. We will see some very serious consequences occurring in Europe shortly. Once it moves on to the UK that will be the signal to immediately get out of the US stock and bond markets. PMs and cash will be the best places to hold our wealth. Paper investments of all kinds will be decimated when this debt bomb finally explodes. I am hoping that the US dollar survives what is coming in the next couple of years. If it does, then holding dollars will be OK. If not, then we will have to rely on our PMs for preserving whatever wealth we have left. In no case will I be buying bonds of any kind. I might still own some stocks but these will be in the big mega cap names that pay dividends, have been around for many years, and that now receive a good part of their earnings from overseas. Think names like: AT&T, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Altria, J&J, General Mills, etc. Such stocks will not be owned "in street name" but as certificates that I hold in my personal possession. It's getting hairy out there folks and it's gonna get hairier before things get any better. PYA!

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Today was an eye-opener for me when it comes to the amount of debt that the average household has. It's hitting closer to home. People are getting greedy and not being happy with what they already have to be true. More is not enough and debt is being ignored like it's a fun wild ride. Gambling is also a huge problem in today's society. We have to turn our outlooks around and start seeing what is truly valuable throughout the ages, ie, family. Things like fast food, television programs, and overall American waste will be the first products to kick the bucket, which will cause harm in the short-term due to loss of jobs, but people will see the long-term benefit of getting rid of these useless luxuries, and the the wealth will be divided much fairer between the hard working people of this world.

By the way, in my opinion, if the crap hits the fan it's already too late to fix the situation. PMs would be useless as money. The real global currency is gasoline and oil, depending if we still live in an unsustainable mode of living without clean renewable energy.

That being said, for the time being, gold is the currency that will revamp our ideas about money. Debt is a plague on society. I think that seniors will feel the pinch first before the angry multitudes of youths start to catch on.

Long story short, we should cerish those things that we cannot invent on a whim, those things that are fatal and one-time shots like human life and the sustenance of our species through good and just means.
Rant over, enjoy your days.
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07/21/2012 10:24 pm
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PMs would be useless as money.

PMs have virtually always been useful as money, as history well shows, even during some of the worst of times. The next time this happens is more likely to be similar to previous bad times than not.

I would agree that while the S is HTF, that will be the time to hunker down and not be trying to buy or sell anything. This is where being prepared for disaster will pay off big-time. A few months after the disaster occurs, people will begin trading stuff and regenerating an economy of some sort. This will be local at first and then slowly expand. THAT is when PMs will be valuable. Prior to that time, brass and lead are likely to be THE most valuable metals.
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By the way, in my opinion, if the crap hits the fan it's already too late to fix the situation. PMs would be useless as money. The real global currency is gasoline and oil, depending if we still live in an unsustainable mode of living without clean renewable energy.


I tend to agree with your assessment of the relative worth of silver and gold in a post-apocalyptic hellscape, at least at first. I fervently pray that we never have to find if we're right. Twenty years ago when I was young and in peak physical condition with no chronic injuries to plague me, I often said it was about time we shed some blood to feed the tree of liberty. But nowadays, I'm more worried about maintaining my supply of meds than fighting a tyrannical government. Doesn't mean I'm not prepared, or at least preparing as best as I can, though.
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I love that quote Ed, I'm gonna steal it for my sig :)

Well most of it anyway, I googled it for the full quote by Norm Franz.
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07/22/2012 11:25 pm
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Don't sweat it, T. We all do what we can and you've already done plenty, if my assessment of you from your comments on here are anywhere near accurate. My best guess is that you are likely WAY better prepared than 95% of the folks out there who are completely unaware of what happens when a currency or economy crashes and burns or that ours is in danger of doing so.

Like you, I'm not in any kind of peak physical condition. But my former Marine son and my former LEO son-in-law are. They will be my muscle if push comes to shove. My job is to prepare a place and the wherewithal that will allow them to get through whatever S hits the fan. Because of this, I buy silver, food, OTC meds & supplies, seeds, tools, fuel, guns & ammo, etc. and store water and other necessities. I have already told them to come here if the SHTF and both have agreed to do that. This is what I can do so it is also what I am doing. Others will do what they can. At least most of us are awake and aware of the general situation... unlike a great many others. Like minded folks of good character and substance will always be welcomed. Those looking for a hand-out will not.
I would like to be more generous than this but do not know the full extent of the trouble we will face or the full amount of what we will need to get through it ourselves. Because of this, I cannot afford to be more generous to those who are unprepared, even though I would like to be.
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