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8 Reales 1767 Silver Coin

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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/21/2012  6:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I recently adquired a coin, it is apparently an 8 Reales 1767 Potosi spanish coin. I would greatly appreciate information on the value of this coin and whether it is real or not.

Thanks a lot,

update: Added picture of the edges.

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Marcelo

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Edited by mreyes
07/22/2012 12:57 pm
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 Posted 07/21/2012  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mreyes

lots of help here, but I am puzzled
Could you post photos of the edge?

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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/22/2012  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answer tokenmast. I just uploaded a picture of the edges.
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 Posted 07/22/2012  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have to wait for more experienced experts

Very nice coin! One way or the other


Thank you for edge pic
Gram weight?
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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/22/2012  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have the gram weight tomorrow. I'll go to a jewell store to have to coin weight and to verify it is real silver.
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 Posted 07/22/2012  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As good as it looks I would think it would test as silver
if the jeweler could test the specific gravity also?
SG. being one of the most definitive tests for % alloy XRF and a new one TFDwall may help also.
see this post ON CCF

Spain Philippines 8 Reales F7o c/m on Peru 8 reales 1833

I am a student Here at CCF
some/most of the experts are discussing real and counterfeits there

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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/23/2012  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight of the coin is 26.7 grams.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  04:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one would be interesting for other specialists to show, I'll put a link on the main forum.
Where did you bought it ?
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 Posted 07/24/2012  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is a fake. It does not have the look of a real Potosi Pillar dollar. So much wrong I don't know where to start.
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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/24/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mathieu, I actually live near Potosí, and got it from an antique shop near there.


@jfransh, I did compare it myself to another picture and found some differences in the font-type edges mostly. I though it may due to aging, but sadly it appears to be a copy. But please do share your thoughts so I can recognize the real thing next time.

It is real silver, the weight is ok, the size is ok. I guess they used a real less valuable coin and stamp on it the 1767 face.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mreyes : it's more than just a changed date, the details of your coin are all wrong. I didn't wanted to be alarming and asked for some help to be sure.
But the coin is just not correct - here is a picture of a genuine one, just compare details and you will understand what we mean by "all wrong" :
http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/I...32-0200g.jpg
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 Posted 07/25/2012  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mreyes It is absolutely a forgery but it is one I would love to own a copy of. Where did you get it from?

The dies are apparently engraved from scratch.

Never seen a counterfeit of this series made in such an incorrect way. Most of the tourist type fakes are wrong because they use Modern Techniques to make the dies. The die maker here seems to have gone old school.


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Bolivia
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 Posted 07/25/2012  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mreyes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your comments Swamper Bob, I should have look at it twice before I bought it. I got it here in Bolivia where I live. I guess I felt that due to the proximity of Potosí it was possible to be lucky enough to still find some real pieces in the little shops downtown. If it is made here a silver artisan should have made it. There still are quite gifted silver/tin crafts men around here.
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 Posted 07/27/2012  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is very interesting and I suspect recently made.
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