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Valued Member
United States
477 Posts |
I get that in the long run the dollar will eventually collapse and the dollar is slower becoming less and less powerful in terms of spending power and the value of material assets is going up as far as it costs more to buy stuff. So in the long run silver and gold will go up in value, but so will toilet paper. So why choose silver and gold as the material asset to invest in over other material assets like toilet paper or paper clips?
Lets say I bought 1 kg of silver for x amount of dollars. When SHTF that 1 kg of silver will still be exactly just that 1 kg of silver, but will be worth more in terms of a currency because the currency is being devalued and worth less. Back when we were on the gold standard gold didn't fluctuate that much at all, or so I have been told. One once of gold was worth roughly the same amount during the time period in which we were on the gold standard. Today the gold is still worth the same amount of money, it's just our money is worth less, but yet we have higher minimum wages and get paid more.
But why gold and silver in particular when I can just hoard anything? If I went and spent 10k on rolls of toilet paper and hoarded them for some time and when SHTF I can sell those rolls of toilet paper for more than 10k as it would cost more to buy those toilet rolls of paper. Like when SHTF who are you going to sell your gold and silver to when you are struggling to find food, gas for your car etc?
like I just don't get what the big deal is...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5832 Posts |
At least you can used those rolls of toilet paper to clean up SHTF situation...
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Valued Member
 United States
477 Posts |
like one should spend dollars and not save them but why silver and gold in particular over other material assets? Well when SHTF does happen and America becomes a third world country for several decades (I don't understand why people just assume we are going to recover in the matter of days, I think it'll be several years) your going to have spend all your gold and silver because all your currency will be worthless. Once your gold and silver dries up and you lost your job that you will probably never reclaim for some time, what are you going to do? I think perhaps investing in land might be the best idea and start farming. One thing that people will always need, when nobody has jobs, when their currencies are worthless and it costs a thousand dollars to buy a loaf of bread is food. I think one should invest in production assets that allow you to produce things that people will need no matter in what condition the economy is in. If I buy 1000 oz of silver, when shtf i'll still have 1000 oz of silver and no production method to produce more and will eventually have to spend it because i'll have no job to buy food and will most likely not have the ability to buy more silver and gold because i'll have no job and will be to worried about buying other things like food, oil, toilet paper, things that I actually need and will most likely not have money just sitting around to invest in.  yay food I think investing in production assets is the best way to go so that way I can get a real return on my investment. If I bought a cow and it had a baby I would get a real return (another cow) whose value could go up and down based off of how much our currency is actually worth, but at the end of the day I have another cow no matter what, and a way to produce more if I needed to spend it. I think simply stockpile up on food is a bad idea as food eventually goes bad, and one should invest in ways to produce food.
Edited by greenprint 07/25/2012 01:05 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3184 Posts |
dont get gold and silver, more for the rest of us :D hahah
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1454 Posts |
We would all profit from being gentlemen farmers or ranchers during an economic apocalypse. Those are perhaps the most predictable among a slew of still potentially risky professions that might possibly see one through to what people will come to view as civilization and stability- assuming the doomsayers vision of the future comes to pass. If I were younger and healtheir man, and had the know-how to succeed in such a venture, it's where I would be today.
One other thing: In preparing for TEOTWAWKI, the accumulation of silver and gold should be miles down the to-do list.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2424 Posts |
why gold and silver and not TP?
its just the way they did it from the begging of time... before TP was even invented.
our ancestors went to gold and silver for not just its MONETARY purpose. it was used in building many things back then as well: temples, silverware, cups, vases, armor, jewelry....
at the time there was NOTHING ELSE....
gold and silver have just recently become COMMODITIES, in terms of what they are TODAY. back THEN, 200-2000+ years ago, it was THE standard of wealth and trade.
before that you did use things such as fur skins, weapons, etc.. the indians...
the way things are looking I wouldnt be surprised if the US GOV went to TP as a form of currency...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
If you go back and read many of the archived posts,many of us have said all along that survival hoarding should be first! You need a supply of food(many of the freeze-dried kinds have a 20-25 year shelf-life)no debt,water,firearms and ammo and whatever you need to survive,THEN look at precious metals as a way to preserve your wealth against the currency collapse. PM's are a strategy for having something coming out the other side of a collapse. Some folks are pouring all of their extra cash into PMs without taking care of the"survival" needs. Personally,I have no debt,an 18 month supply of food,4 guns with ammo(I probably need more ammo than I have)for protection and for food acquisition. I even have a hoard of toilet paper. I will keep a small amount of cash on hand for essentials AND 11 ozs. of gold and 160 ozs. of silver. So,I agree with your premise,gold and silver will probably not be all that useful in a currency collapse,but it will make your life a whole lot better when a new economy is established.
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Valued Member
 United States
477 Posts |
Well I know that banks are members of the FDIC and that your money is assured up to like 250,000 or something like that depending on who does your banking. This however dosen't protect your money from becoming worthless. Apparently banks can even put holds on your account and prevent you from withdrawing funds in an economic collapse?
One thing to also consider is that if in economic collapse owning precious medals like gold may become illegal again... ? I mean that is a bit ridiculous. What if you just invested in precious metals to insure your economic stability in a recession for no reason at all and had it confiscated?
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Valued Member
Canada
220 Posts |
The key to survival is diversification. Land is a good idea, to be able to subsistence farm at the very least. If you have land, you need guns and ammunition to keep it, and to protect your livestock and crops. Ammunition will also carry serious weight as a barter item in a world gone crazy. A stash of PM is necessary to trade for things that you may not have, but a big stash could attract the wrong kind of attention too... TP is not as indispensable as you might think, but I wont go into details here! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1391 Posts |
Just hoard your toilet paper in your big hole you're digging in the woods. I'm sure it will be safe there.
To answer your original question, YOU shouldn't.
Your time would be much better spent joining the Peace Corp. or a year or two than posting here.
Edited by allranger 07/25/2012 10:56 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
greenprint: never heard of Monsanto?
SD, where would slavery and serfdom fit into your history of commodities?
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Valued Member
Australia
145 Posts |
Islander, Thumbs up and good luck mate :) I'm getting ready... It will be slow at first,but will all collapse overnight,
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2120 Posts |
The thing most people miss when talking about gold and silver when considering it against inflation/collapse/etc is;
You cannot value it in dollars!
Value it in any other commodity that has value regardless of the "dollar amount" slapped on to it.
Man hours worked ounces of gold/silver Gallons of milk Population
Dollar values only tie together relative worth of two goods/services, so things that are traded in dollars should be compared with their dollar value stripped.
If a gallon of milk costs me $3.50 And an ounce of gold costs me $1,650 The value ratio is 471:1
If milk goes up to $6.50 and gold only increases just a bit to $1,700 the value ratio changes to 261:1
Even though gold went up in "price" it went down in value against Milk.
How about against population? This is one of my favorites.
Currently, there is roughly 7.02B people on the planet. Lets say there is 30,623 tonnes of gold above ground (taken from wikipedia)
In ounces that's around 984,552,305 ozt, or a ratio of 7.13/ozt Au : 1 person
Let say over the next 10 years we add 700M people, and 200M ounces troy of gold.
Now we are at a ratio of 6.5/ozt Au : 1 Person.
The value of gold just went up against the population. Doesn't matter what gold did in dollars.
This is all my opinions/thought's, please don't take it as 100% fact, confirm things for yourself, make your own investments.
For though, I'll be holding for quite some time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
808 Posts |
I say stack whatever you need in order to be as independent and as self-sustaining as possible. That includes knowledge and practical skills as well as "stuff." For example, here in Texas, having multiple reliable sources of potable water is critical if the city or county supply goes away. There are solutions, but the time to learn about them is now and not when things stop working.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: There are solutions, but the time to learn about them is now and not when things stop working. Words to live by, CW. Comments like this have me thinking about the folks on the east coast about a month or so ago and whether or not any of them learned that being prepared for disaster is better than not being prepared for it. In many cases, these people didn't have squat for emergency supplies, so when they were told that real trouble was imminent, they raced to the stores and emptied the shelves. This is such typical behavior. I bet that these same people wait until their house is on fire before checking to see if they have a hose. 
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