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20 Cent Repunched Date?

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 Posted 07/31/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slowaltima to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My thinking was that it looked similar to jeff's, but a much more squashed MM. It looks very elongated compared to a normal plain S. I have seen one or two posted on here, but never as smashed looking as that one.
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 Posted 08/01/2012  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As I said--there were a lot of problems with die hardening in the 1870s, and they did a lot of hardness tests in the denticles.

It should be understood that these tests were actually done on the edge of the unhubbed die and not in the denticals themselves. After the die was hubbed it would be put on a lathe and the diameter turned down to the proper diameter. The date traces are from where the tests got in a little too far from the edge and they overlapped the area where the denticals were later impressed.

Of course this does not explain those MPD which are found closer to the center of the die in the devices themselves. All I can suppose is that they thought that traces of the tests would be wiped out by the hubbing.

One thing I find interesting is that the MPD's are always down close to the area of the date. If it was just hardness testing I see no reason why they would always take care to make sure that test area was in the press so the date would be in that same place. I suppose that the reason that all the MPD are in the actual date area is because that is the natural place where everyone looks for them. I think in the future eventually MPD's will be discovered in the denticals in other areas around the edge coin.
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It should be understood that these tests were actually done on the edge of the unhubbed die and not in the denticals themselves.
Honestly, I have never heard Rick Snow or others describe it this way--what is the source? Per Rick Snow's books, my understanding is the hardness tests were performed during hubbing, not die blanks--and making a test impression in the denticles strikes me as a good place to test.

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I suppose that the reason that all the MPD are in the actual date area is because that is the natural place where everyone looks for them.
Rick Snow and the IHC variety collectors look everywhere for these MPDs. The majority are found in denticles, but a few are found in other hubbed areas of the design, such as the neck, the pearl necklace, and the truncation of the diamond ribbons--areas where hubbing would obliterate prior marks.

Here is an example of a multiple MPD. Clearly the intention was to hide the bases of the "1" in the necklace area; the 1882 Snow-6.

20-Cent-Repunched-Date?
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