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Troas Valerian

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 Posted 07/31/2012  3:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A couple of weeks ago I purchased this coin on ebay which arrived from The Netherlands this afternoon. I have purchased from this particular seller in the past w/o any problems except once the coins never arrived in the mail. The seller apologized and sent a complete refund. But I digress.

This coin was misidentified by the seller as being a Gallienus copper coin. I recognized it right away as a Valerian provincial from Alexandria Troas (read here about Troas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Troas), only to notify the seller too late for him to change his listing. I believe the coin did not garner much attention because of the misidentification in the title of the listing and I was able to successfully bid on the coin.

It is a beautiful AE21 with a wonderful green patina. The details are exceptional IMO. I have it attributed at Valerian I SNGCop 191v, struck circa 253-60 AD:

Troas-Valerian

Troas-Valerian

OBV: IMP LICI VALERIAN, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
REV: COL AVG TRO, horse grazing right
21mm, 4.86g
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 Posted 07/31/2012  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like it JW - the horse looks great.

Any idea what the horse symbolises? I read it was to do with the 'famous Troyan stud of ancient times'? Also seen a few of these with a tree or a herdsman as well as the horse.

Provincials are great
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 Posted 07/31/2012  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That horse is drawn remarkably well!
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 Posted 07/31/2012  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great details--especially the horse! It also reminds me of Greek coins of Thessaly.
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 Posted 07/31/2012  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was able to research the horse reverse to some little degree and came up with this quote from Catalogue of the Greek coins of Troas, Aeolis, and Lesbos by British Museum. Dept. of Coins and Medals, Warwick William Wroth.


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The feeding horse first appears on the autonomous coins of Alexandria Troas circa 300 BC, and is itself derived from the feeding horse on the coins of Neandria, circa 400-310 BC. On the fourth century coins of Larissa in Thessaly, the animal seen feeding is one of the famous Thessalian horses, but it is difficult to determine it's significance at Neandria. Cavedoni suggests that it is one of the horses of Erichthonius, father of Tros.


A long time ago I puchased a coin of Larissa for my niece who is named Larissa. She knew of Larissa, Greece, and that was extent of her knowledge. She didn't know anything about ancient Larissa, Thassaly or the horse representation on the coins. But, what is fascinating (and spooky) is that she has been an equestrian since childhood and is now a veterinarian taking care of horses. I'm sure it's coincidental. Aren't you?
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Nice coin, like that horse reverse as well. You'd think the price would have skyrocketed at ebay for a coin like that.

That's a neat story about your niece. A great deal of names come from ancient times. I'm not sure if most people are aware of it or not.

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 Posted 07/31/2012  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin.
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I would be very happy with that acquisition as well! Pleasing coin.
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Thank you all for your comments. I am still struck by the 3D effect on the reverse. This coin exceeds my expectation for sure. I haven't been able to put it away. It sits in the middle of my desk as I type. I am pleased!
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 Posted 08/01/2012  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! Really like how detailed it is.
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 Posted 08/01/2012  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am still struck by the 3D effect on the reverse.
One reason I like Greek coins.
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Great coin JW
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 Posted 08/05/2012  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very pretty coin, Bing (gotta love the animal coins!!)

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