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So I have this really old Wayte Raymond set for 8 Morgan dollars. after some research here and on other sites, it seems that the Wayte sets are ideal for adding toning to the coins...which I like. The coins have been in there for about 30 yrs so they have gotten quite nicely toned. But is sunlight nedded for the toning? I have stored in a drawer, so not sure if I momentarily stopped the process or not... thanks epikur
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The toning is more of a reaction to the sulfur in paper or cardboard than it is to light. All those old Morgan dollars that came out of treasury canvas bags had sulfur packed with them to keep rats from eating the canvas bags. That is where some of those great rainbow toned dollars came from, that never saw the light until bags were opened.
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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of course. Never thought about the canvas bags....Thanks
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Bedrock of the Community
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Arent gasses the main culprit in toning?
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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hmm, maybe light will speed up the process though. I bet UV-light can mess with the chemistry involved. Any UV-light-Wayte experts on the forum?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Im sure light can increase the gasses or speed up the process, but coins will tone even when not directly exposed to it. Whose a chemist here lol
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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actually, I am, but I'm specialized in drinking water, not metals and sulphuric gases...bummer
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Bedrock of the Community
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lol isn't that how it always works
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Temperature (heat), humidity and lack of handling are the three +++ for toning. Canvas bags, envelopes & sulfur folders are the best methods for the toning to occur in
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If matches are mostly sulfur, has anyone here ever experimented with putting a silver coin in a box with lid and crushing up a couple match heads to sprinkle in the box?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, to artificially tone the coin... Where does the line get crossed from artificial & natural toning?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coins can tone in paper rolls, not just bags, if left long enough. I found several old rolls of silver halves the other day: some had serious toning, one even had verdigris. The paper rolls themselves were old and frayed. A while back, I found a '64 Kennedy with fabric toning. It has the most amazing pattern; you can even see the woven threads!
Edited by CPC24 08/01/2012 9:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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End roll toning is one of the most vivid & colorful types of toning. The coins where you can see the fabic is so cool, too
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Light can play a part in the formation of toning on silver coins. Many silver compounds darken on exposure to light. I believe a fingerprint, for example, will darken much quicker in bright light than in a darkened room. However, the "rainbow coloured" toning that coin collectors find fashionable these days is caused by a thin film effect, which will occur no matter what colour the compounds are. If tarnish prevention is your goal, then protecting a coin from the atmosphere is far more critical than protecting a coin from light. I look at my mother's silver spoon collection, which has been hanging on the wall for several decades now: the ones in bright light don't look any worse than the ones in deep shade, but the ones in the airtight cabinet are still pristine while the ones in open air are ugly and tarnished. Quote: Where does the line get crossed from artificial & natural toning? It's a tricky question that has long been debated in coin collecting circles. Personally, I'd restrict using the term "artificial toning" to forms of toning that use chemicals a coin is not likely to encounter in day to day use and circulation - clorox bleach, for example, is "artificial", since chlorine gas is not something most people have everyday experience with or expose their coins to, and the resultant "toning" is physically and chemically distinct from normal silver toning. One could perhaps use terms such as "intentional toning", but it can sometimes be very difficult to determine the "intent" of a coin's previous owners, just by looking at the coin. Just about any kind of toning can be made to look like an accident. It might be most accurate to talk of "accelerated toning". That's where people deliberately expose coins to an adverse environment, particularly one rich in sulfur: things like match heads, crushed garlic, eggs or simply leaving it on a sunny kitchen window. There is usually no chemical difference between the toning on such "accelerated" coins and "natural" toning, but the more aggressive methods can leave additional residues on the coin that can be detected. Suffice to say that a coin that still smells like garlic, rotten eggs or brimstone has probably been artificially toned.
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Quote: One could perhaps use terms such as "intentional toning", but it can sometimes be very difficult to determine the "intent" of a coin's previous owners, just by looking at the coin. Just about any kind of toning can be made to look like an accident.
It might be most accurate to talk of "accelerated toning". That's where people deliberately expose coins to an adverse environment, particularly one rich in sulfur: things like match heads, crushed garlic, eggs or simply leaving it on a sunny kitchen window. There is usually no chemical difference between the toning on such "accelerated" coins and "natural" toning, but the more aggressive methods can leave additional residues on the coin that can be detected. Suffice to say that a coin that still smells like garlic, rotten eggs or brimstone has probably been artificially toned. Personally I would say those are both artificial toning. Doing anything to accelerate it or increase it no matter how it is done is not the natural course it would have taken over its life. That said though I do agree that unless they used foods if the methods were all natural with no substance exposure calling it artificial doesn't really matter as it looks the same and was just helped along. While Id classify it as artificial I dont think in any way it decreases the value or cheapens the coin any more then carrying a circulated coin around that was cleaned to make it natural again does. More just calling a spade a spade, but in the end doesn't really matter
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