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Dimes & Nickels - USA Non-Magnetic Canada Magnetic

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I have some buckyballs on my desk and they rolled over to some Canada coins I found roll searching. Both the dime and nickel are magnetic but this is not true with US coinage.

Was this by design and if so why?
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US coins are not ferric (except for certain 1943 cents).

At least not yet - there are attempts to reduce the cost of minting cents, nickels, and dimes by making them out of steel instead of copper and zinc.

So yes, I suppose you could say this is by design, but I don't know why.
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My bank has a magnet in their coin counter to pick up magnetic coins.
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Canada dime and nickel are magnetic later years are made with steel and older coins are made of 100% nickel which is magnetic too!
Our US nickels are 75% copper & 25% nickel, but are not magnetic.
So here's a question... at what % of nickel will coin become magnetic?
25% nickel = No
100% nickel = Yes

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56 percent nickel is required before the alloy shows ferromagnetic properties at ordinary temperatures.
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v38/i4/p828_1
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I wish I had gone to my mechanics of materials classes in college....

But this is a great refresher! Thanks, Penny4Me! :)
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Would be interesting to hear from someone in Canada that knows about coin sorting in banks. Or vending machines there since so many of ours have magnets in them to sort out fakes, washers and Canadian Coins. So what do the Canadians do to sort out our coins? Sort out fakes and miscellaneous items like washers?
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Canada switched over to use steel quite a few years ago to reduce costs.
http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/learn...ency-1100028
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Not all Canadian five and ten cent coins are magnetic. Between 1982 and 1990 their five cent used the same composition as ours 75% copper 25% nickel. Before that they used pure nickel some years and chrome plated steel in other years (late 40's and early fifties). The ten cent was not magnetic before 1969. (Either .800 or .500 fine silver)
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So it was not by design so much as a switch to cheaper materials?
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Yes, a switch to cheaper materials, i.e. Silver to Nickel was big $$ change,
then pure nickel to steel...Next it maybe Plastic coins?
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There is a bill or two being kicked around Congress now to switch from zinc and nickel to steel. Not coincidentally, the politicians pushing the bill are from Ohio, one of the largest steel-producing states in the nation.

http://news.coinupdate.com/legislat...ickels-1117/
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Well there was also the fact that Canada is the largest producer of nickel (which is magnetic) in the world. It was just kind of natural for them to use nickel.


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There is a bill or two being kicked around Congress now to switch from zinc and nickel to steel.

Changing them to steel WILL lower the costs, but they will still be higher than the face value. So the bill is just a question of "do we lose more money or less". Not "should we stop losing money?"
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It is because the government never thinks far enough ahead to do the job correctly. They just look for temporary or simple fixes.
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Well it is an expense just like the roads and schools etc. At least the coins are worth SOME of the value after the money spent to produce them has "changed"
hands. Reducing costs is always good thing.

The real problem is when the melt value is worth more than face value. Then the Mint is faced with the problem of filling up a cup that has a large hole at the bottom.
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The real problem is when the melt value is worth more than face value. Then the Mint is faced with the problem of filling up a cup that has a large hole at the bottom.

No the real problem will be with the millions of people using washers in vending machines. As long as the magnet system works, that is not possible. But start with magnetic coins and vending machines will really get hurt here. I still don't see what happens in Canada or any country with Steel coins and vending machines. Someone I know works in a place that makes washers, bolts, nuts. Wow, he could get rich if we change to steel for our coinage.
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