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 Posted 08/14/2012  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'm at wits end in trying to figure out those two coins. If you guys don't mind I may try posting at FORVM Ancient Coins soon to see if they know. I never posted over there before, might as well try to get one post in? lol

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Now I have a couple I just pulled out of the lot. I'm pretty sure cleaning the coins more ain't going to improve them much, might even ruin them perhaps. I would appreciate some help with these as well. Some late Roman coins are really difficult to figure out sometimes as you guys know.

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This coin, I flipped the reverse. Let's see if it's right now. I ain't kidding, when you look at this coin in hand it's like an optical illusion to me. It's hard to tell what is top or bottom on the reverse. The obverse doesn't look like the common engraving style for the era, not to me anyways. Thanks to BenByField for the tip on the reverse.

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This is another coin I pulled out of the lot that more cleaning probably won't do it any good. The coin is worn really bad and I don't know what emperor it is. I would appreciate some help from the late Roman experts. lol

Over time I will be posting more. I'm taking my time cleaning the lot and stretching it out until I can get more coins sometime next month maybe.

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 Posted 08/15/2012  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gg,
on that last coin it looks like an "SA" (or CA?)at abou 11 oclock, can you read any other letters?
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 Posted 08/15/2012  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, I can't read what it is. A lot of late Romans are like that, and yet people still manage to attribute them somehow. lol

There is a cross on the reverse which should narrow the emperor down a bit. Several emperors used the cross on the reverse.
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 Posted 08/15/2012  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Gil,

I was on Vcons, Sphhinx numismatics has some coins like your #1,#2( last set of pics.)..Ayyubids of Alep. not sure the same but they look alot like yours....
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 Posted 08/15/2012  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


If you go to Sphinx Num. go to the search bar and put in mars( was looking for one) these coins come up...Aleppo..
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 Posted 08/15/2012  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can'r read anything on the last coin, but it looks a lot like my Theodosius II, RIC 451
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 Posted 08/18/2012  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Islamic, Mamluk, al-Ashraf Sha'ban II, 1363-1377, AE fals, Dimashq (Damascus), Eye-shaped cartouche with Arabic al-sultan al-malik al-Ashraf Sha'ban clockwise around perimeter; at center, bin Hasan. / Floreated octolabe with zarb Dimashq at center. Balog 458.

A big thanks to Manzikert at FORVM Ancient Coins for the attribution. I am so glad this coin is attributed now. It is much later than the rest of the lot, 1363-1377 AD.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gil-Galad, You'd be surprised what you could get off of that coin. I see a lot of dirt. I say, the coins you dont think can be cleaned more should be put in for a seriously long term oil soak. That, or send them my way and ill give them a home.

And I can never believe how people ID some coins...and that islamic coin, all I see is patterns! Some people are amazing at IDing the unIDable.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sort of disagree with you about cleaning. I think there is a stopping point for decent coins because you don't want them down to bare metal because it lowers the value of the coin, not to mention making them look ugly or really clean. Sometimes a coin looks great naturally. It just depends on the coin. I've cleaned a few and was annoyed when I accidentally removed the patina from the legend or other areas and then metal is showing.

That Islamic coin doesn't need any cleaning at all. If you do clean the sand off, the details will disappear. It's not apparent from the photo but the coin is thicker on one half with decent details and really thin on the other side. The thin side is weakly struck and the details are barely visible.

A lot of the coins I'm still cleaning and soaking. Some of them in distilled water and some in olive oil right now. Some of them I may end up trying to get more aggressive in order to expose more detail for attribution.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I see a lot of dirt.
That "dirt" helps make the coin look nice IMO.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And now here is another coin going through the cleaning process.

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AE, 1.6g, 11.58mm

Once again I have no clue what this coin is either. Does anyone know?
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 Posted 08/19/2012  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To clarify : I didnt mean the islamic coin, thats definitely done! I meant the coin before.

And that coin looks sort of like a Gloria Romanorvm with the soldiers not struck properly.
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 Posted 08/22/2012  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Well, I'm still having difficulty figuring this coin out. Someone suggested it might be Alexander the Great. A club reverse. No positive ID just yet. I would appreciate it if you guys could give me more ideas. Really would. Thanks!

I flipped the reverse image. That's what's different about this image of the same coin.
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 Posted 08/22/2012  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could also be a stem of wheat, you could try following that.
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