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Calling All Early Copper Sleuths... Urgent Help Needed

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I just received an 1832 Medium letters today (it's a long story) and I'm not feeling quite warm and fuzzy about it. It's beautiful, but the obverse and reverse don't quite seem to marry up condition wise (ut oh).... Please take a look and see if you think it's genuine and possibly attribute it. I have no ref material on these critters. It weighs about right @ .2gm light. I will be eternally (well almost) grateful! Paleoguy

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08/13/2012 3:23 pm
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not worried about the condition mismatch - new obverse die with old, worn reverse die - but the date looks funny to me. Not an expert, though.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one does not give me the warm fuzzies. Everything is mushy yet I don't see any nicks or marks any where on the coin. I also don't like the details and shape of the 2. I have too many doubts to say it is genuine.

Here's a high grade 1832 N-1 for comparing and see if I can find an N-2 and N-3 for comparing. Look at the flip at the end of the 2.
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1832 N-2
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1832 N-3
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add algol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are only 5 pairings for this year. N1, N1.5, N2, N3, and N3.5. N1's and N2's are small/med letters while N3's are Large letters. The halves N 1.5 and N 3.5 have doubled profiles.

If this is a legit coin (which I dont think it is) It could be an EDS of N2. N2 should have a die crack from from 5th to 10 stars on the obv. I dont think it is N1 because the 10th berry on the rev should be under the M, where yours is under the A.

Im suspect of the positioning of the left edge of curl in relation to the date...For N-1 and N-2 both the left edge of curl should be over the right curves of the 3...

http://www.early-copper.com/1832.html

link to an 1832 N2; the dates just dont match up imo

hope this helps..
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date looks a little odd to me, but once again, I'm no expert either.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Las_Vegas_Larry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heritage auctions has some great pics of of the 1832 N-1 Med Letters.

I don't quite think yours matches up.

That is as close of a match as I could find.

Good Luck.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
None of the 1832 varieties have the date that far to the left. Either unique or fake.
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Check out the curl in front of the ear, compare it with the reference photo posted in your thread. See any difference? It's not looking good as far as a genuine piece.
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I really appreciate everyone's input... There is also a "roughness" to all surfaces that smack of pour vice strike... He has a grunch of them up on the Bay now.... Some of his stuff is genuine. I just think all of his Early Coppers are fakes.... I had sent him back the 1880 Shield nickel that proved to be Proof vice MS and this coin was an "oh by the way" along with a partial refund... I'm debating whether to bite the penny on this one and log it to lessons learned. All the transactions were off the Bay so I really have little recourse.... The last verse of "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" comes to mind.... "He left like one that hath been stunned and is of sense forlorn... A sadder and a wiser man he rose the morrow morn."

Like the "sometime chicken, sometimes steak" metaphor... This is a "pork rinds with nothing to drink" moment.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please post their ebay ID so we know to avoid them.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay ID - lenshirl3vpv
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 Posted 08/13/2012  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll add him to my list, thanks!
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Wow, I was considering getting this from him. Glad I saw this!

http://cgi.ebay.com/320960434684
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algol pretty much covered it.
In a nutshell, this coin is not legit.
I'll block the seller.
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 Posted 08/13/2012  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He has 100% Pos. feedback. Going to be some unhappy customers down the road.
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