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Coins Circulating Without 'in God We Trust'

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PHILADELPHIA - An unknown number of new George Washington dollar coins were mistakenly struck without their edge inscriptions, including "In God We Trust," and are fetching around $50 apiece online.

The properly struck dollar coins, bearing the likeness of the nation's first president, are inscribed along the edge with "In God We Trust," "E Pluribus Unum" and the year and mint mark. The flawed coins made it past inspectors and went into circulation Feb. 15.

The U.S. Mint struck 300 million of the coins, which are golden in color and slightly larger and thicker than a quarter.

About half were made in Philadelphia and the rest in Denver. So far the mint has only received reports of error coins coming from Philadelphia, mint spokeswoman Becky Bailey said.

Bailey said it was unknown how many coins lacked the inscriptions. Ron Guth, president of Professional Coin Grading Service, one of the world's largest coin authentication companies, said he believes that at least 50,000 error coins were put in circulation.

"The first one sold for $600 before everyone knew how common they actually were," he said. "They're going for around $40 to $60 on ebay now, and they'll probably settle in the $50 range."

Production of the Presidential dollar entails a "new, complex, high-volume manufacturing system" that the mint will adjust to eliminate any future defects, the mint said in a statement.

"We take this matter seriously. We also consider quality control a high priority. The agency is looking into the matter to determine a possible cause in the manufacturing process," the statement said.

Guth said it appeared from the roughly 50 smooth-edge dollars he has authenticated that the problem had to do with quality control rather than a mechanical error.

"These coins are struck like normal coins, then they go through another machine that adds edge lettering in another process. These apparently skipped that process," he said. "We've seen a couple of instances where the edge lettering may be weak or indistinct, but we're not talking about that here."

The coin's design has already spurred e-mail conspiracy theories claiming that the religious motto was purposely omitted. That rumor may have started because the edge lettering cannot be seen in head-on photographs of properly struck coins.

It is the first U.S. coin to have words stamped around the edge since the storied 1933 $20 gold "double eagle," among the rarest and most valuable in the world. In 2002, a 1933 double eagle was sold for $7.59 million — the highest price ever paid for a coin.

The Washington dollars are the first in a series of presidential coins slated to run until 2016. After Washington, the presidents to be honored on dollar coins this year will be John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

The 215-year-old Philadelphia mint, located downtown on Independence Mall, employs about 500 people and last year produced about 7.8 billion coins. The overwhelming majority of error coins are caught by inspectors and melted down.

Bailey said the striking of the Adams coin, expected to roll out in mid-May, will proceed as planned.

"We are adjusting the manufacturing process to try to eliminate the problems," she said.

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Methinks if the Government had it to do over again they might forget the edge lettering.
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 Posted 03/07/2007  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish they would also. We need the date and mm back where you can see them!
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I agree with SE... without being able to see the date easily, (or at all if the coin is in a 2x2, it makes collecting one from each mint much less appealing. I'll just stick with one of each president since I can't see the date and MM.

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If I bought a dollar that was certified I would like to be able to see which mint it came from.
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I think this edge lettering is by far the most stupidest thing the mint has done. I have NO plans collecting this series.
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If I bought a dollar that was certified I would like to be able to see which mint it came from.

If it is certified by PCGS, NGC, or ICG you will be able to. (I don't know about ANACS yet.) All three have special slabs that allow most of the edge of the president dollars to be seen.
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 Posted 03/07/2007  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RangerXLT8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow this was on Local news 30 minutes ago here in Jersey.. Apparently the batch of errors went to FL...
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I bet the guy or gal that bought the 1st one from ebay at $600.00 is kicking themselves in the rear.

I guess that's the gamble you take with new errors....
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 Posted 03/08/2007  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dcarr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Early this morning (March 7), they were selling on ebay for about $50.
Then during the day all the major media news reports came out. The ebay prices shot up over $200, with some selling over $400.

I'm guessing that they will settle around $100-$150 each by Summer.
That is fine with me, I bought 44 of them on ebay two days ago for $45 each :)
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I'm still laughing at those who bought the coins at high prices that had the lettering "upside down"

In the rolls I have opened, there is about a 50% split of which way the edge lettering is facing.
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I think this edge lettering is by far the most stupidest thing the mint has done. I have NO plans collecting this series.

Don't blame the mint. Congress made them do it. They put edge lettering into the law that authorized the Prez. coins.
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