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Hi Eric,
I know very little about grading Morgans, but it looks like there aren't very many marks. You should post these images in the Coin Grading Practice forum. NNC is an unknown quantity. They do grade coins that have problems. The first coin I ever bought was in an NNC holder. It was graded MS67 Obverse Wheel Mark.
I never heard of a wheel mark - it was nearly invisible. My local coin dealer couldn't see it either. I did finally find it, but neither PCGS, NGC or ANACS would grade the coin (ANACS certified it authentic with MS60 details and put it in a slab.) On the one hand, I felt like I'd been ripped off. On the other hand, I got a very pretty coin for a relatively low price, and NNC did, after all, note the wheel mark.
Still, it looks like your coin has clean surfaces. At my level of knowledge and experience, however, I wouldn't trust a grade from that company. It may be that they're very accurate. They seem to have kept pretty much under the radar. My wheel-marked coin was a lot closer to NNC's MS67 than ANACS's MS60.
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03/08/2007 6:28 pm
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Stephen420,
A "wheel mark" refers to counting machine damage. A coin that has counting machine damage will NEVER grade a true MS67.
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biokemist6. I know what a wheel mark is. I have a coin with one on it. I know that makes it a no-grade coin. But there are wheel marks, and there are wheel marks. This coin, originally graded by NNC, fooled a lot of people. No one at Stack's could find it; the PCGS photographer photo'd it apparently before the graders saw it. NNC's grade is high because of the wheel mark, but my point was, at least they noted the problem on the holder. ANACS's grade was misleading because, while it also mentioned the damage, this coin has better details than a MS60. This is the lightest, faintest wheel mark I've ever seen. Look at the images. This is the NNC coin.  Image:  Edited by Stephen420
03/08/2007 7:05 pm
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Hello Eric, I agree that your coin has very clean fields that could be compatible with an MS66 grade. I would need better photos to venture a grade guess, however. I see darker areas on Liberty's hair curls above the ear and on her cheek; these could be shadows, toning, or strike weakness. They could also be signs of light rubbing. If there's rub, your coin might only get an AU58 grade from another TPG like PCGS or NGC. It's a lovely coin but the ultimate grade assignment depends on subtle surface qualities that are not apparent in these photos. PS Stephen420: that's a beautiful Walker. Where is the wheel mark? I see what looks like a scuff on the sun; is that it? Otherwise this coin looks almost perfect! |
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OK I'm going to take more photos now and will get back to you.
Eric
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Kind of depends on what you plan on doing with that coin. If it's just for you and are not worried about resale, don't worry about the company or the grade. It is apparently close enough to 66 not to worry about it. Of course if it bothers you send it to PCGS for another grading and be willing to pay for that. I'd say what you have is close if not a 66 so forget it. If you didn't pay much for it, then again, don't worry about it.
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Edited by Eric Kreszl
03/08/2007 7:29 pm
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I think its very close to the certification of MS66, you sure have a keeper in your hands, Congrats!!
Coinmanianc
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I think this would be a much better fit in the Coin Grading Section, however, I will add that I would be proud to own that one for sure. Looks like a beautiful coin. If I'm looking at my numbers correctly in the RedBook, and recent sales, this may be a coin to send in to PCGS. I may be way off here, so I would definitely see what the experts say. |
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Hello,
Based on my photos would the coin classify as a Deep Mirror ProofLike?
If not that's OK of course but I was just wondering.
Eric
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This looks like a very nice coin, and the photos certainly support the possibility of it being a 66. In all honesty, though, coming from NNC I cannot imagine it being a true 66 for some reason or another. If it were, the slab would say at least 67. A very strong strike is to be expected from 1880's, and this one seems a little weak above the ear and in the eagle's chest/leg detail. That does not disqualify it from being Mint State, though.
I can't be sure, though. At this grade level, you need photos of a quality that I can only achieve by accident, to have a chance of getting the grade right. And, Eric, regarding the DMPL designation: Would you shave using the coin as your mirror? A true DMPL Morgan will reflect light from a lamp into your eyes at genuinely a painful level.
Put some 12pt type, maybe a post in the forum here, up on your monitor. If you can hold that coin 12" away from the monitor, and read the type clearly, it stands a chance of being called DMPL.
I'm going to move this into the Grading forum, where the people who come here to grade coins hang out.
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At this grade level, you need photos of a quality that I can only achieve by accident
Judging by the pictures I have seen you post, you sure do have a lot of accidents.  |
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