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The Story Of The 1957 $1 Silver Cert With Sn# 0000001

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 Posted 08/20/2012  1:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Watch out for this guy.

There is now plenty of documented info on this person
that it is clear that he is not someone you want to deal
with as either buyer or seller. But I'll let you decide.

Summary:
The person bought a slabbed silver cert... then broke out
the silver cert to doctor it, and then approached currency
people on another forum pimping the bill. After some
members found him out, he resorted to using PayPal as a
weapon to intimidate the eBayer he bought the note from.

Here are the links, and plenty of pics:

http://www.cointalk.com/t211905/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...p=true&rt=nc

http://forums.collectors.com/messag...eadid=864852
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Kefiroth's Avatar
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 Posted 08/20/2012  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is absolutely disgusting. He mutilated a truly valuable note and then tries to stick the cost of the damage HE did on the seller. From reading those forum pages, it appears that he has quite a long history of that sort of behavior too.

What an absolute scumbag.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a bit confused here... I see the ebay listing of the note in a CGA - AU50 holder, along with the notation on the top of the listing that states "This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."... I then see the note was removed from the holder and poorly trimmed (make that very poorly trimmed), followed by a forum post who I assume was the original seller saying the buyer removed the note, trimmed it down, and in the process tore the note in half and wanted a refund from the transaction...

My one question is; How can this seller protect himself from PayPal when he ENDED his ebay listing of this note, as the seller bypassed ebay...

From personal negative experience with both ebay & PayPal, I would bet that PayPal would refund the purchase as PayPal protects the buyer, even if they're in the wrong...
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 Posted 08/20/2012  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for letting us know. That guy has more money than sense apparently!
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 Posted 08/20/2012  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope everything goes well for the seller. Sad that things happen like this. I always knew that doctoring was happening to coins, but I had never even considered it happening to currency.

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My one question is; How can this seller protect himself from PayPal when he ENDED his ebay listing of this note, as the seller bypassed ebay...

I believe that paypal protects non personal (gift etc.) transactions, even those not through ebay.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PayPal is not only used for ebay, as stated above, really, nothing to do with ebay at this point.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. What a loser. Ruining unique collectibles to make a quick buck.
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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Switch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. If I said what I actually thought I would be banned. ;-)
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ratio411's Avatar
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 Posted 08/20/2012  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I guess he thought no one would notice the top trimmed.
He figured with the faults trimmed off, it was worth more.
He is trying to get $6000 for the note, but only paid $2500
for it in the slab. More people have turned up that have
had problems with the guy as well. He has a history.
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 Posted 08/21/2012  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kookoox10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just plain terrible to see some "beginner" collector swoop in with his cash to buy an exceedingly rare note and then do the unthinkable! I almost threw up the moment I read this in CT where I'm also a tenured member.
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 Posted 08/22/2012  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
he is no beginner and this is probably not his first note doctoring that he has done, Brian has been around note forums for years and believe it or not does have some knowledge but as you see he is not someone you want to do business with
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 Posted 08/23/2012  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

ErrorCoins222 said:


Quote:
I always knew that doctoring was happening to coins, but I had never even considered it happening to currency.


You have no idea what kind of chemical stuff & materials "Professionals" are using to upgrade notes & even to FOOL 3rd party grading companies!

Having said that, I don't trust CGA grading "rare" notes (even new owners) after past scandal!!


@ratio411,

Thanks for sharing that with us .... I've blocked the seller in my ebay account



Cheers
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 Posted 08/23/2012  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why block the seller? The buyer was the problem.
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 Posted 08/23/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops! my bad!!

Guess, I was day dreaming!

Seller was unblocked

Thanks for waking me up!


Cheers
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 Posted 08/23/2012  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As was posted on another forum by the seller this is the profile of the buyer
http://myworld.ebay.com/bsl339?ssPa...:AAQ:US:1181

Not much feedback but a couple of bad-good feedbacks.
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