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Bedrock of the Community
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These coins exhibit no wear, but the details in many areas are not as sharp as they should be. This suggests copies from existing coins.
They should always be checked for weight.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I can only guess it's easier to copy coins that were poorly struck to begin with--such as that 1729 Ruble. Even so, it doesn't look right.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From previous experience with the varieties seen here - I would suggest that every coin he is selling is a fake. I actually recognize several and I believe some of these have been posted before. The most commonly seen fake coin of the group is likely the German-Africa issue. They are MODERN and worth only a few Dollars over melt. The weights are better - closer to correct so they are either getting thicker or they may be using silver to make their blanks. It is a SHAME that he is getting the bids that he is.  This seller has many of the RED FLAGS too. Edited by swamperbob
09/05/2012 3:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I wrote to the guy - I will post his reply if I get one.
I told him all of the coins he posted were modern fakes - worth melt.
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Pillar of the Community
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Hmmm. The coins are located in Ann Arbor Michigan, but take 2-4 weeks to deliver despite the seller shipping within 3 days of payment. Shipping is via "Economy Int'l Versand". Payment in Euros, which I think would cost a US seller extra to convert to dollars via Paypal. Poor English: "Please pay within 7 days of the win projects". I'd be willing to bet this is a Chinese seller masquerading as and American. The low feedback isn't encouraging either.
The coins have obvious problems with the lettering, the dentils and have pretty clean fields despite poor detail. Definitely a seller to avoid.
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http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/pro...1856996.htmlSimilar to one of his other coins for sale but 1643. Bob (Swamperbob) - I own several of these coins which I purchased intentionally. Was even fooled on a 1878 U.S. Pattern Goloid Dollar. Same M.O. - Fe/Ni, German Silver or Brass with some Ag added - predominantly Fe/Ni and if the iron > 40% it becomes magnetic. Good trace elements seen such as Pt and Au. These are the best Chinese counterfeits I have seen on the market from this China supplier. Some signs are raised dots and rough surfaces on the lettering surfaces as the transfer dies break away from the coin. This sometimes impacts the rim in terms of a break-away area or metal fall-out along the rim - these are scary good!.
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09/06/2012 12:48 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As John and snowman allude to without saying so - the seller has a PO box in the US - this is a Chinese front operation. The same thing used to happen in Montreal on a large scale and there were several in NYC. But the use of a smaller interior town shows these guys are getting better at deception.
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When you go to his HOME PAGE it says seller has no coins for sale but there are items listed ... see here: http://myworld.ebay.com/buyerschoic...047675.l2559 ... he has Euros as the shipping P&H denomination ... all bidding is private to hide shilling ... the edges will give these coins away ... forgot to mention before ... tough to fake ... I mean the roughness of the edges after 100-400 years in circulation ... mine are smooth ... the Chinese fakes I alluded to before ... |
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I just got the seller's answer to my question.  I asked him if he knew he was selling worthless Modern Fakes. His answer was Quote:
YES - THANKS I guess that says it all.  At least I have to give the guy an A for honesty when asked.  Of course 99% of the people do not ask.  |
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The 1686 French ecu sold for the equivalent of US$210, which is a lot for a modern fake but still a fraction of what it would bring if authentic.
I wonder if some of the high bidders actually realize that they are fakes but don't mind paying the price because are sure that they can flip them for significantly more money than they bought them for.
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I wonder if some of the high bidders actually realize that they are fakes but don't mind paying the price because are sure that they can flip them for significantly more money than they bought them for. If they do - THEY are thieves as well.  I just checked his feedback - there are a lot of folks that are either theives or simply don't have a clue!  What a shame.  Actually no - WHAT A CRIME. Edited by swamperbob
09/06/2012 8:08 pm
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Ebay, in my opinion, are not blameless in this either - given their policies on contacting bidders and warning them. I appreciate that there are negative aspects to allowing this but some sort of system could be developed to highlight potential fraud.
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Bacchus2 I could not agree more. But ebay does not want the "problems" it would create. People like the seller in this particular case see NOTHING wrong with selling fakes. They would be the ones to complain because we are damaging their business.
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Posted 09/02/2012 4:55 pm
