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1875 Indian Cent Dot?!

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 Posted 09/04/2012  8:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add noviscoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Look at my pics and tell me if I am crazy to believe that this is a 1875 U.S. Indian cent 'DOT' variety. It appears to me that during the strike, the DOT was lifted and placed on the verticle right post of the 'N' in ONE. Do you see this? Any help would be greatly appreciated! T

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 Posted 09/04/2012  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To CCF!

I see what looks like a "broken" N?

as I do not collect IHC's I have no idea if this is a pup for any Snow variety? Or if it is a hit?

There are members who will be sure to help if you are patient.
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 Posted 09/04/2012  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is just lumpy and bumpy from severe corrosion/environmental damage. The dot on the Dot N reverse IHCs would be located on the upper left of the N in ONE.
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 Posted 09/04/2012  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night Hawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been collecting IHC's for years and I've never heard of a "dot" variety, I won't say there isn't one but I've never heard of it....
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 Posted 09/05/2012  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1875 Snow-16, it is now listed in the RedBook. My 2011 edition has it but my next one before that is a 2007 and it was not in that edition so it was added sometime in the last few years.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night Hawk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well you learn something new every day...

I did a google search and based on the coin shown at this site http://www.indiancent.com/5779-1875...6rb-ngc.html I'd have to say that you don't have the dot variety.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm of exactly the opposite opinion. The reverse of his coin seems to be an exact match of the coin pictured on the Eagle Eye site. The dot on his is prominent and in the same position as the dot on the Eagle Eye picture.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could just be the nature of the photography, but where Snow-16's dot is a positive, this one looks like a negative. The OP's coin is lit from 12:00, and in the detail pics there is a shadow on the "dot" at the top, precisely where I'd expect it to be brightest due to the lighting angle.
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Conder, the OP is wondering about a dot on the right post of the N, not the left where the dot should be located. The left side does indeed look like a divot to me as well. Even if it was the Dot N reverse, it would be next to impossible to determine for sure due to the corrosion and what appears to be an old scrubbing with a wire brush
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Ok - thanks for the responces. But what I am wondering., (because I am just a Novis).., is it 'possible' for the DOT to have been struck and then removed to another location during the strike? And yes, I am very aware of the coins poor, poor condition., heck I own it! The condition reminds me of a coin you find on the road where a million cars/trucks have run over it. But I am not asking about it's condition. So.., what say you (conserning the 'DOT' - is it possible?).
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Also., the location where the DOT would be is a 'divot' (the exact size of what the dot would have been). But on the right Post on the N, there is a raised DOT.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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is it 'possible' for the DOT to have been struck and then removed to another location during the strike?


Physically impossible. And given the condition of the coin, it would be darn difficult to prove that the dot you're describing on the right is anything but damage inflicted during the coin's lifetime. See how there looks to be a trench across the right shaft, just below the serif? I think that's where the metal for the dot came from.
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You could be right about the divot. To me in the photo it appears raised but you are correct the lighting does seem to show that is incuse. I missed the fact that he was asking about the right upright. There is nothing there.

Is it possible for the dot to be moved during the strike? No. The dot on the 1875 dot is a raised feature which means it was created by a "hole" punched into the die. Awful hard to move a hole, especially by hitting it with a piece of steel.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noviscoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OkyDoke! Thanks.
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I've compared your coin very closely with the picture's on Rick's site, and the attribution guide. Unfortunately, this is not the Dot N variety. The divet or dot on the left N post is not quite in the right position, vertically or horizonally. Further, I don't see the correct die crack; the S16 has a die crack from around 12:00 to the west and yours has a crack going to the east.

Keep your eye out, there are collectible dots on other dates, too. I've picked more than one off of ebay. Most do not check the reverse, and many who do don't know quite what to look for and where.

Thanks for sharing and happy hunting!!
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