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Greetings everyone, First time poster here although I have been following another thread and wanted to add a bit of info I wanted to make this community aware of but couldn't as the other thread was locked. Not trying to beat a dead horse just wanted to say I found that the 1870 pattern half has appeared in 2 previous auctions and was previously in an NCS slab listed as "Improperly cleaned" and has been cracked out... One I don't have access to the Worthpoint auction but in the Stacks & Bowers auction it sold for $1495~ http://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ty-101710261http://stacksbowers.com/auctions/Au...LotID=326329Hopefully noone here will lose big money on a problem coin~  Edited by random816
09/06/2012 10:33 am
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09/06/2012 11:01 am
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 hope you stay for a while beyond this post |
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Bravo! I checked the Heritage Archives and they have apparently never sold a single J-947 but I knew it had to be in an auction record somewhere and pictured in its original slab. Thanks for taking the effort to find it  link to the original post discussing this coin- https://goccf.com/t/128625 |
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Thank you all for the warm welcomes! This definitely seems to be a great and informative site so i'll add it to my favorites!
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Welcome and thanks for finding this! I looked on Heritage myself, thanks to all for their help in nailing this down. I can't get ebay to do anything about this... but I wonder if contacting the winning bidders, with this information, would help thwart this fraud. Sellers must accept a return if their item is misrepresented. EDIT: Wow, chamblee did a fantastic job ripping everyone off. He got great bids on all the coins. The 1858 pattern went for over $2,000... unbelievable! Wow. This really makes me sick. And there doesn't seem to be a way to contact the winning bidder? Edited by Drsandman2
09/06/2012 5:17 pm
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I think most of us looked on Heritage for most of the coins being offered from this dknies1947/chamblee56 character since they have been outed as a crack out artist. We tend to forget about the other auction houses that is available to us to search as well so I thank you for doing the extra leg work in searching these sites that had slipped most of our minds. I see the seller made about 40 bucks on the sale by cracking it out and hopefully they will see the problems and be able to send it back to the seller (if they want to) under the ebay protection policy even though the seller claims to have no return policy. Maybe they will see this thread if they do a search and have all the information they need to prove what has been done with this coin to ebay |
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Whoever bought that coin knew they were getting into a dark alley. Why?
Seller information: chamblee56 (0)
That's right folks. Somone spent $1,530.00 buying from someone with ZERO feedback. Yikes!
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Who spends $1k+ on an unslabbed coin from a seller that has *zero* feedback? What idiots ...
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09/06/2012 8:41 pm
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I cannot see how to reply with a quote here but since Bryan1315 brought it up I would like to add some additional information. I actually purchased an 1884 Three Cent Nickel from Dknies1947 a few months back, which "donna" offered on ebay. I really wanted it so I offered $600~ offline which she accepted based on the good looking pictures provided. Once I received the coin clearly the pictures had been doctored as this (see picture with spots) is what I received~ I immediately contacted her about the spots on the coins and here is her exact response as recorded through ebay: "Dear random816, John how very disappointing. I incurred the wrath of all those bidding and watching the item that were very nonplussed about its ending and now have sustained that blemish to future sales to accommodate you. send it back for a refund if you will. you of course will be obligated for the expenses e. g. shipping there and back. send to the address on the mailer. the pictures by the way were in no way altered or misrepresented. they were the actual coin in natural lighting taken right before the listing. Please do not attempt to impugn my integrity with false innuendo to bolster your 'buyer's remorse'. just send it back regards Donna - dknies1947" So clearly I offended her when I sent her pictures of the actual coin  Anyway she refunded me $516 of the original $600 I paid, $84 for restocking and shipping... Are you *** Edited by Staff | The bad word filter is in place for a reason. Bypassing the filter and making the intended word obvious anyway is completely unacceptable. *** kidding me? Soooo needless to say I would like to issue a warning to anyone to stay away from any auction associated to Dknies1947. He/She is a now known crackout artist selling problem coins out of Illinois on ebay. Personally I feel that Chamblee56 fell into the same position I did in having bought problem coins from Dknies1947 outside of ebay, and was simply trying to unload them on the next unsuspecting person so he/she didn't lose their behind... Chamblee56 is now a registered member here so I would love to hear their side of the story~    |
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final price on that ebay auction was 1530 - ebay fees and such, this seller lost $$$. |
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Yeah rob, but they got that 1858 pattern for under $900 on Heritage... and it sold for over $2,000.
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09/06/2012 8:46 pm
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Yeah that $40 they lost on the 1870 pattern half (if they were the ones that gave the $1495) pales in comparison to the $1000+ profit yielded from the 1858 Indian~
Not to mention someone is probably going to pay another $50+ to mail it and have it slabbed. I hope we can do something to help shut this sort of thing down~ Certainly posting about it here helps!
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Great sleuthing everyone! This "coin doctor" is bad for business, I saw the 1884 3-cent and thought about bidding (on my iPhone) saw it on my computer, and it just didn't look right the spots looked a lot worse then represented in the photos, as retired photographer of many years and coin collector, I thought the lighting looked strange, I don't think the photos were manipulated really, it was just how the light was cast over it, many times it can completely hide flaws and damage. Have been working on a lot of projects so I've been a bit scarce around CCF the past month, so I hadn't checked in on this one here yet. Sorry you got burned by that random816.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Creative photography is, unfotunately, the norm on ebay. Great Southern Coins is famous for that they can make a VF coin look BU |
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Drsandman2--I just noticed that too; that 1858 Judd-208 went for US $2,025.99. I'm upset--that will be a big loss for someone.   Random816, thanks for pointing out the origin of that coin--I've seen it before too. |
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