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Here is an off center Indian Head cent, slabbed by PCGS as an 1883. The date is half way off the coin. BUT, the last feather in the design points between the C and A of AMERICA - which only happened in 1886 and after. A. PCGS messed up. B. someone is going to end up with something that is not what they think. http://teletrade.com/coins/lot.asp?...3&lot=2406#n |
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IMHO When it comes to PCGS slabs, I believe many people now buy the holder first and the coin second...
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The question is, whats the date than? Maybe 1893
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What about the question of how they came up with 1883 in the first place?
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I think they came up with 1893 and then made a mistake on the computer/slab.
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I'm thinking it could be a 1903.   This is a close up photo from the listing.Edited by IndianGoldEagle
09/09/2012 12:39 pm
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IndianGold Eagle- that seems a lot more sensible, the third digit seems to look more like a 0
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I was going to say 1902 but 1903 could be correct also
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It looks like a 1903 to me.
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I would say this is AU53 at best ... does anyone else think MS63 is a bit of a stretch?
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Looks cleaned, AU. Overgraded in my opinion. Cuold be 1892, 1893, 1902 or 1903. You might be able to measure the width of the two internal digits and compare to known, higher grade samples to nail whether it is 189 or 190.
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To be honest, I'm not convinced the coin is even authentic. First, the shape of the last digit does not match the 3 from 1893. It more closely matches the 3 from 1903, but is still oddly shaped. If it were a 2, the top serif should have been much closer to the body of the digit.
Second, the loops of the middle two digits are way too pointy and too thin.
Third, the top and flag of the 1 are just not the correct shape.
Hopefully, I'm wrong but the date instantly struck me as very oddly shaped.
I don't like the tone, it looks artificial. And if it were real, I probably wouldn't have graded it at MS. Also, there seems to be some "repunching" on the inside of the last digit, which doesn't match any known Snow varieties.
Edited by Drsandman2
09/18/2012 8:22 pm
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The unevenness of the toning tells me the coin spent some time in a humid environment. Nothing jumps out at me as the coin not being authentic. It appears, in my opinion, that PCGS graded the coin correctly but the question remains, what is the date? I think it's 1893. Look at the last digit, it turns in slightly.
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Here is something else I noticed...
I don't recall off-hand ever seeing the very wavy features on the bottom of the letters in UNITED STATES, most easily seen on UNITED. Further, the you in UNITED goes from what appears to being too thin in width, to abruptly being extremely thick.
BTW I'm using the zoom feature on the coin at the provided link to teletrade.
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09/18/2012 8:46 pm
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Did some photo overlays. One thing it is not, as robbudo said, is 1883, not even close. The last digit is a 3, not a 2 as the 2 would be wider where it left the edge. The spacing on the date isn't right for 1903. I believe it is 1893.
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I can't see how they could even assign a date to the label since there is more than one possibility. PCGS could easily have left the date off and put Undeterminable instead. Ed ANA LM-3175 |
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Posted 09/09/2012 08:48 am
