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1929 Cent - High 9?

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In this close-up the black line is parallel to the top of the 1. Do you think this is a 'High 9'? This coin was purchased years ago and will be included in my next ICCS submission. Thanks

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1929-Cent---High-9?

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There are 2 types of high 9. You have the common one.

The best way to determine the rare high 9 is to draw a line at the bottom of the date using digits 1 and 2. The tail of the 9 must be above this line.
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Thanks for the input. In regards to the tail of the 9, the 1 and the 2 are not in the same plane. As per this image, the tail of the 9 is just above a line parallel to the 1 but below a line parallel to the 2. All the attributed examples I've found are identified simply as 'High 9'. If there is in fact a 'High 9' and a 'Higher 9' I'd like to learn more.

Researching this coin further should prove rewarding. Hopefully it grades well.

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I am not sure if I am allowed but have a look at this discussion

www.canadiancoppercoins.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=537

hope this helps
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Most of the claimed high 9 are the intermediate 9, not the true high 9.

The true high 9 has a slightly rotated counter-clockwise 9. The tail will be very clearly out of line with the left edge of the round top.

So much useful information is lost to the mists of time. For this cent, as well as the 1926 and 1932 5c we are faced with a stark anomaly about the apparent nature of the matrices used. The general accuracy in the last digit seems to indicate the possibility of fully dated matrices, or a strict placement control for the last digit punch on the die.

The former would make the anomalies hard to explain (all the dies from the matrices would be the same). The latter would mean that some set of circumstances (e.g. a die shatters and nothing is readily available, so a quick hand punch is done). But, then why did that happen TWICE for 1929?

I think the 1926 5c far 6 and 1932 5c far 2 represent a single die each. But, if the high 9 is significantly more scarcer than the intermediate, does that mean several dies for the intermediate, or a much shorter lifetime of the true high 9?

I wonder if there is already a term "numismatic forensics"?

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There is also a 1929 re-engraved 9 (not a hub doubled or machine doubled phenomena). I am leaning toward thinking it was an actual die that was re-engraved. They are fairly hard to find.

https://goccf.com/t/92838
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