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Hey everyone. I've just started getting into Peace dollars and picked up my second one today at a local show. I posted it earlier today to see what others thought of the grade and jmkendall thought I might have the beginning of the Broken Wing die break. I'm completely new to VAMs and die breaks in general and was hoping some of you resident experts could give me your opinions. Here is the original post with photos. https://goccf.com/t/130025 |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I know nothing about Peace VAM's but you can go look at Vamworld.com and see if you can match it up with one of the VAM's there. You just look at the ones with the same date and mint mark, no need to look at other dates and try to match up the attributes to your coin. I have a house full of kids right now but if I remember I will try to help you later today if you have problems. Edit: I started looking through VW and didn't find anything but I did circle some things in your pictures for you to look for over there to see if you can find something that matches. The die scratches where its circled on the Obverse and the break ion the wing on the Reverse. There may be others but this is what I see right off the bat   |
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Thanks Bryan. I'll have to look closer at those die scratches on the obverse. Someone else mentioned 11A on the original post and from what I can tell on VAM world that appears to match up with my die break on the wing. |
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I didn't get as far as 11A when I was looking but it does look like it could be a match. It doesn't mention the parts I circled on the Obverse but that doesn't mean its not a 11A either. if it is it may be pretty rare in BU as it says only 2 unconfirmed BU examples are known to exist
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Yea I saw that too. I wasn't sure if that list was from pop reports or just members listing on the site directly.
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the VAMWorld community is pretty much the whole VAMming community, even if they don't post there the VAMmers are a tight nit group and know pretty much what each other VAMmer has in their collection even if they don't post there. The things that are listed there are from people that know others that have them if they do not have the coin themselves, so the information can be dated at times but at the time of them writing the comment it is what is known in the whole VAMming community as a whole not just members that post there (kind of feel like I went in circles there trying to make this comment so hope it wasn't confusing and I may edit it later to clean it up once my mind stops racing and calms down a little so I can think straight)
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I understood you lol. So if I can get some eyes on this in hand and get multiple people to also confirm what I have would it be worth getting it attributed or should I just keep it how it is and know what I have? I don't have any plans in th foreseeable future to let this coin go but after I'm gone or in a time of need who knows.
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looks like it could be a VAM 11a - but check the VAMWorld page for details - did you note any doubling on the olive branch? |
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I understood you lol I am glad because sometimes my ADD kicks in and I try to explain something and my mind will start racing and I feel like I am just going around in circles and try to overly explain things and it confuses people instead of helping them. I have had to edit my posts more than I would like to admit because I will read what I wrote the next day and say "what in the heck was I trying to say here" and if I can't understand what I was saying I am pretty sure others can't either. ANACS may be the only one that attributes the 11A, that is something that would have to be looked into. Usually with PCGS if its not on a "list" (like TOP-50) then they will not attribute the coin on the label. NGC does a few more Morgans that PCGS does but in no way do they attribute all of them like ANACS does. Since it is in a NGC holder already and if NGC doesn't attribute this particular VAM yet then you can just get a sticky label and write what VAM it is and stick it on the slab. If you decide to sell it let the Buyers know what VAM it is and take close up shots of the attributes to prove it and that should be sufficient for a VAM collector. I think a unattributed NGC would still sell for a higher price than an attributed ANACS coin, so for resale value I would either leave it in the NGC holder until you could confirm if PCGS or NGC will attribute that VAM |
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Thanks for the insight! I'm definitely going to leave it in the NGC slab until I can find out if they will attribute it and even then I would have to consider the price and decide if it would be worthwhile.
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Windycity, I went back and looked for doubling on the middle olive branch as indicated on VAM 11 and the photo they have on VAM world points out two spots to look at. I can see the doubling on the lower spot but I'm not sure on the top spot. I'm really bad at spotting doubling but I can definitely see it on the lower spot. That's a good sign right? I checked the other spots 11 mentions but doesn't show in the photo on VAM world and I don't see any doubling on the rays above 'ONE' but I do think I see doubling on the leg feathers. Do I need all the features mentioned for 11 in order to have 11A? It looks like I'm 2 for 4 on 11 but 2 for 2 on 11A. I am now looking into getting one of those nifty USB microscopes I keep seeing people using for close ups of specific parts of a coin for just such this occasion lol. Edited by Williamsonj320
09/25/2012 01:06 am
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Got a new USB microscope today and thought I would try it out on the Peace dollar hopefully for some better shots. Let me know what you guys think.    |
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As Per my original assessment, I still think its an 11A...This is due to the entire fact that a die break like this is only know in this case for the reverse die break in this particular area, has only been found with the VAM 11A....that being said...There is one other VAM known in the close proxcimity..(sorry spelling)..and that is the VAM 5B... which has a much more EXTENSIVE break. and other more pronounced breaks across the reverse of the coin.. How ever the OBV die characteristics indicate a "Doubling on the OBV neck and TRV" as a pick up point "With the HUGE die break"......Note VAM 11A does Not have the huge Break...but does include the doubling of the olive branches which I do see....in your pictures...note using the USB camera is a great way to get close ups..how ever in photography the contrast... the fact that the USB microscope will over light the snapshot.. the contrast will not show the detail as good without some post corrections..I have saved your image and slightly improved your photo,,,  Your photo with a slight more contrast clearly shows the doubling of the olive branches... I think its a clear example of a great coin BREAK, COULD this be a early state of the VAM 5B....In my my opinion only if the dies were married to a different OBV after the initial reverse break...Vamming makes you think..    Gene |
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Thanks for your studying. I appreciate the information and notes you provided.
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