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Real Or Fake 1881 Trade Dollar

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Hi. Just got this as part of a joblot, please can the experts know if real or fake, thank you. Approx 38mm and my scales say 26g (kitchen). Coin is 3mm thick.



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 Posted 09/27/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely fake.
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Weight should be 27.2 g. Letters & date don't look right to me, and the denticles are not consistently sized or spaced
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09/27/2012 12:38 pm
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 Posted 09/27/2012  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1879-1885 Trade dollars are rare proof-only issues, this one is definitely not genuine.
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 Posted 09/27/2012  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rooneydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks chaps - no holiday then
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 Posted 09/27/2012  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date almost jumps out at you...or is it my "new" larger monitor?
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 Posted 09/27/2012  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your monitor is fine oih82w8,

Its the poor quality this fake is!
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 Posted 09/27/2012  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rooneydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No need to extract the proverbial from the new collector.
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Definitely fake. This coin has Obverse #1 which was not used after 1876.
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no it jumped at me also
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not much to add to this but Moe made an excellent point. This is where knowing the series can save you time and money. If the design is one that hadn't been used at the date of the coin you can guarantee its a fake. Trade dollars are one that really needs to be studied before buying and it can take years to learn, even then you may get it wrong at times because some of them use the correct designs with the correct dates so you have to do further investigating. Remember, if you aren't sure about something then always ask first, that is what we are here for
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All details indistinct = fake
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Hi.

Thanks for all the replies.

SteveCaruso if you want to pay the post I'll quite happily send it to you, it came as part of a joblot of world coins and I suspect the seller knew it was a fake as cunningly placed it in the pile of coins where you couldn't see much detail. Considering reporting to ebay but total price was small.
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 Posted 09/28/2012  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice photos though!!
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Quote:
coin has Obverse #1 which was not used after 1876


Can someone elaborate upon this issue further with comparison photos and related verbiage in an attempt to cut through the clutter?

Thanks,
mdpmedia
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Read the section regarding Trade dollars in the RedBook, the obverse and reverse differences are explained along with photos. It basically involves differences in the positioning of the arowheads above 420 and the tips of the LIBERTY ribbon.
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