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Just purchased from the local flea market for $3.95 - the details are astounding - great 1909 --both obverse and reverse.... BUT! What's up with the silver color? I assume its plated in something - thinking zinc? Silver?  Obvious PMD? Hrmnnn. I'll either keep as an oddity or throw on ebay if their is $ to be made. Please take a look and offer your opinions/observations/experiences. Thanks in advance! .... one more thing - if, God forbid, I would clean it - if worth it to do so, how would I go about stripping the stuff off? Acetone?   
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hmm.. Kind of looks like a replated war penny. I've had quite a few of those. Doh! odd though that someone would do that to yours. being a 1909 and all.
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Rest in Peace
United States
3039 Posts |
Acetone will not remove any plating.
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United States
286 Posts |
Funny. I have a 1909-VDB That looks identical to this one. Almost the same exact coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yup, plated. Could be either zinc or even mercury.
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Valued Member
United States
275 Posts |
Over some time, I've come across even rare DDOs with unoriginal surfaces and is much suck. I would get rid of it and forget about it personally.
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Valued Member
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What do you reckon the ebay crowd would pay for such a "rare and interesting - beautifully detailed 1909P Lincoln Wheat cent"?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I hope not more than a few dollars as it has extensive damage. "Rare and interesting" Whats rare about it?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just my opinion, being a 1909 Cent, and a new design to the public at the time, it could be possible that someone plated these to try and pass off as dimes at a quick glance (ie. busy newspaper stand, or other city street vendor when crowded), like when they gold plated the 1883 "V" nickels w/o cents to pass off as a $5.00 Gold piece.
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jasper62... the headline was tongue-in-cheek; however - rare being that I have never seen such a thing - especially on a 1909. One man's PMD is another man's treasure - the marketplace will dictate it's "worth" I guess. Broken-Coin - good theory! Whip up a batch of zinc plated 1909's and you have a $5 roll for 50ยข
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like mercery coating. I wouldnt handle it much. Selling it on ebay is kinda shady if you ask me. It was shady that it was sold at a flea market for $3.95 in the first place. But then again P.T.Barnum said it," there's one born every minute".
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Valued Member
United States
275 Posts |
PNG dealer code of ethics # 7.
"To refrain from knowingly dealing in counterfeit, altered, repaired or "doctored" numismatic items without fully disclosing their status to my customer. Coin doctoring refers to the alteration of any portion of a coin, when that process includes any of the following: 1) Movement, addition to, or otherwise altering of metal, so that a coin appears to be in a better state of preservation, or more valuable than it otherwise would be. A few examples are plugging, whizzing, polishing, engraving, "lasering" and adding or removing mint marks. 2) Addition of any substance to a coin so that it appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. The use of solvents and/or commercially available dilute acids, such as Jeweluster, by qualified professionals is not considered coin doctoring. 3) Intentional exposure of a coin to any chemicals, substances, or processes which impart toning, such that the coin appears to be in a better state of preservation or more valuable than it otherwise would be. Naturally occuring toning imparted during long-term storage using established/traditional methods, such as coin albums, rolls, flips, or envelopes, does not constitute coin doctoring. " Even this is very touchy and IMO even a dip is altering, because frankly I don't want a coin with an unoriginal surface. If the dang coin isn't really a Mint state,put away and protected,( not this good BU details and cleaned /dip junk!) then a grader has a problem with it and So do I, the coin is altered , period dot end.
Forgive the tangent but, It's a good novelty and although your sale would be questionable, unfortunately there are dealers who do high dollar trades and even frequent these boards who(and even post about coin doctoring and bragging how they got into a slab (rolls eyes), although they may not be a part of this dealer circle, they certainly don't care and go against these codes of ethics.Well at least the idea behind them, even though they are worded like a government law with loopholes. Typically it is frowned upon, a losing battle, and realistically, it doesn't have much real value, the rule typically is if you wouldn't add it to your personal collection , unload it for a fair price or trade and try not to pass it off as something it is not , You can't polish a turd, well some people can and do, but they have no integrity whatsoever, is the market saturated with these dealers, yes. Are many probably reading this and have a hatred for me by just saying so, yes, do we need more people like this, NO, it's ruining the community. Do they care, No, but just a fair warning, and your coin is altered and isn't truly rare.
Edited by Coppertop 09/30/2012 11:48 am
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Quote: the headline was tongue-in-cheek; however - rare being that I have never seen such a thing - especially on a 1909. One man's PMD is another man's treasure Also being sarcastic - up to the point where I write that the marketplace will dictate. If I put something on ebay, it's always accurately described to the best of my ability, and "marketed" using descriptive adjectives the are SUBJECTIVE to the item - along with a statement - "Look for your self - the coin pictured is the coin you will receive." .... I like grabbin coins at flea markets and alike to either keep or sell for a profit - even if only a couple bucks extra. I'm not wearing the white hat carrying the flag of complete and mother theresa-like honesty, but I'm not in my secret laboratory whizzing coins and altering mint marks either. Just havin' a good ol' time collecting and talking about interesting coins - no nefarious plot to rip off the uneducated.
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Valued Member
United States
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;) a lot of people say described as best of their abilities , but that's kinda false I'd think , if a friend, better yet family had shown you a coin and said should I buy it , the informed would describe it far more accurately, but I do get what your saying
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