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This is another coin in the collection my late uncle left me. I assume the government would have stamped it counterfeit, but think they would have destroyed it too? Any ideas how this stayed unharmed yet was stamped?




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 Posted 10/02/2012  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice. Maybe it was kept to use as a reference/learning piece?
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Could you provide a weight please. A contemporary counterfeit like this would have a nice fit in the educational collection of Mike Marshall. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 10/02/2012  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, the government never goes to that much trouble to deface a counterfeit - they just get melted, shredded, waffled or whatever.

It would have been stamped by either:

- a coin collector who wished to keep it for reference but neither fall foul of the law or leave their heirs with any doubts about its authenticity. Given that much of the design has been obliterated by the double-counterstamping leaving little to study, I suspect this option is not likely.

- a merchant or bank teller who detected a counterfeit in daily trade who defaced it and returned it to its owner. It was apparently common practice in the 1800s for people given a counterfeit to deface it in some unmistakeable way and then give it back to the person who tendered it. Bartenders in England would take a hammer and large square nail and punch a hole right through it, for the same effect.
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Wow, good to know Sap, I vote for the second option. Though I can't even tell what coin it is due to the stamp.
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It weights 4.6 grams.
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It's the same size as a quarter too...
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I would be curious to know what the composition of that contemporary coin is. I have analyzed a few from the 1920s and 1930s, but not one from Victorian times.
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 Posted 10/17/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ship of fools to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought that they were illegal to own.Its certainly interesting.ship
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What kind of tests can be done to know what the composition of this contemporary coin would be?
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XRF can be used on this piece to determine the exact metal content

It would be interesting to know!
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that's very interesting! makes you wonder though, it's a solid coin, and "counterfeit" was definitely stamped by something solid not carved, so how did they stamp it without breaking the coin (if that makes sense)
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Would this be something to send in for grading?
Is it legal to own even if it was part of an inheritance?

What value does this hold?
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1) I'd message SPP about it.
2) It is legal to own.
3) Who knows
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Some other pics I found of the "counterfeit" canadian quarter:

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