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Valued Member
United States
242 Posts |
So I would like to buy bullion but I would also like to have it look appealing even if just to me. How much would you pay over spot (percentage wise maybe considering I would probably do copper and maybe silver.) I know this is opinion and I know most of you guys will say 'if you like it and its worth it to you, pay it'. But I really am interested in what you guys decide is 'of value' so I can be informed of how to make my own 'of value'. Like I bought some AOCS or whatever it is copper bullion because it 'looked cool' and I was using up my ebay gift certificate from last month so though I got it at a cheap total considering I 'earned' the certificate I realized afterwards I probably paid WAAAYYY too much even for the fact that I love the design. Learning mistake, 12 bucks aint gunna end me for four coins I like the look of when 11 of it was a rebate. Love the opinions all around even if some are 'Your paying more why?'  . Thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
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For me theres two very important factors. The first is how well does the coin hold its value, and the 2nd is how much do I love the design. For example the Perth Mint makes a lot of commemorative Silver coins like the USS Midway and their WW2 series I love but the premium is large. I actually just started buying some of these because checking ebay the old ones hold their value pretty well or are hard to find, theyre all low mintage too. So I guess in fairness thats now straight bullion. For bullion though theres the Britannias and Pandas with a large premium and they seem to hold it well so I'm not opposed to those but I dont like the designs enough to justify the premium for me. To me though premiums dont matter as much if the coin holds that value. I see a difference though in the premium for design and the premium a site charges. I wont pay a whole lot for a dealer premium but I will if I like the design. I would add too that if your just stacking to stack stay away from the premium designs. If money falls apart and you would need the silver (one of the main reasons to stack) those premiums will be gone. If youre collecting them because you like silver and want some different designs go for it. Hopefully that makes sense and I didnt ramble to much
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Valued Member
 United States
242 Posts |
That does make sense and I like rambling. I do it a lot.  . So I guess for holding value all you can really do is look at a mints track record and hope it holds for what they mint now? There is always the chance however that if you have to 'unload' something it wont be popular then and you're only getting melt for it though it sounds like your system atleast hedges against that a little bit. I take it by 'money falls apart' you mean the crash everyone who pretty much stacks is expecting. Back to barter etc. I guess by then it kinda levels the playing field for everyone and any silver is worth more then the paper in the premium hehe. Love to see other comments as well. Curious if there is anyone that 'collects' bullion that is close to melt value but still looks nice or if 'looks nice' inevitably drives up the premium. Thanks!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: So I guess for holding value all you can really do is look at a mints track record and hope it holds for what they mint now? Pretty much, itll change with the price of PM but yea you can go back and look at older coins in the series and see what theyre selling for. If the ones 5 10 years ago have the same or higher price you can be fairly certain the premium holds well. Quote: I take it by 'money falls apart' you mean the crash everyone who pretty much stacks is expecting. Exactly. The ironic part is that the bullion with the highest premiums is all foreign. Even though a Chinese Panda is more than twice the price of an ASE is that happens an ounce of silver will be an ounce of silver and actually the foreign silver will probably have a lower value (especially china) since people may not trust it as much or have the slightest clue what it is
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I collect US 90% silver coins, some bars, and a few rounds like ASEs and silver Maples. I try to keep the premium as low as possible. This works because I do not fall in love with any of them. They are bullion but nice looking bullion. In most cases, ASEs go for $2.50-$3.00 over spot, Maples about $0.50 less, and 90% is usually less than a dollar over spot unless you are buying BU or AU coins or older ones in XF condition. I avoid the key dates and highly sought collector coins because I am in it for the metal, not for the Oooo and Ahhh of it. My one weakness in this approach is Morgan dollars. Not sure why but the reverse of a Morgan is just an awesome coin. It is literally dripping with history. I am sure that many other coins are as well but none of them says it to me like a Morgan dollar. I have about 70 Morgans now and would have a hard time parting with them. The Peace dollars I have just for the silver and would have no problem selling them when the time is right. Right time = I NEED the money or things have gone REALLY bad and a silver dollar will put food on the table where a paper one won't.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I have only ever bought one silver bullion round and I paid about 18% over spot.
And then I gave it away.
But I did buy it simply because of the design and it made a pretty nice little gift.
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Valued Member
United States
200 Posts |
Most of the coins I have bought have been at or slightly above spot. But there were a few coins which I really liked and paid a slight premium for them. I paid upto 25% for Australian dragon coins. I just loved the design and got most of them right from 1/2 oz to 10oz. Got the colored ones as well. The reg dragon coins are just too cool! But I did not go for the 100 oz and kilo coins though, don't have that much budget.
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Valued Member
United States
117 Posts |
I've noticed that the longer I look at a coin that I want, I'd be willing to pay a bit more for it. A good example is the Ausralian Lunar Series 1. Halfway done with the set, but it's hard paying double the silver value.
So, I guess it depends. When I first started getting into silver rounds, I would only buy something if it was spot, or less. Now, I kinda see it differently. I'll pay the premium if it's right in front of me, like at a store or convention or private party. The way I see premiums is like this....How much did I pay for the gas to get there, OR how much is Shipping and Handling. I even go as far as comparing to a pack of smokes. I figured, I easily burn about $5 a day, smoking, so what's another cost of a pack, as long as I'm happy. :P Of course, this isn't a pennywise/penny pinchers approach to collecting and I highly don't recomment viewing it the way I do, but I just do. I guess it helps to somehow convince my inner self, so I'm happy with the deals I get. I'm not saying I get ripped off a bunch, but I'm also not saying I get the best deals around, just the best deal for me, at that time of my life.
Everyone is different and have different approaches. I like expensive silver rounds that look beautiful. One of my favorites is Kangaroo at Sunset, with some kinda privy mark. There were two kinds at the time I was buying it, I got the Proof one. Only because instead of sunset, it looked more like a Kangaroo in "moon" light. It's hard to explain unless I'm showing you the coin in my hand. LOL.
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