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My First 10 Coins -Unidentified-

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 Posted 10/26/2012  11:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey everyone

I have 10 coins I purchased from a seller on ebay, I have been cleaning them for a couple of days so much my arms are kind of sore

Some of them are harder to make out than others and I don't expect you to be able to identify them all yet but any advice or info would be greatly appreciated.

This first coin was identified by bobbyhelmet as

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DN IVLIAN-VS NOB C
SPES REI-PVBLICE, emperor standing left in military dress, helmeted, holding globe and spear.
I think your mintmark is (Delta)SISV meaning it was minted in Siscia (Croatia).

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Ok I've uploaded this in a few sizes so you can tell me which size you prefer and I will do all the others the same I used a scanner
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 Posted 10/26/2012  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool - I love seeing coin cleaning finds.

Any size will do - its all about the resolution
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 Posted 10/26/2012  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh ok well according to my scanner size =/= resolution though I thought they might be easier to see smaller. Feel free to guess what they are too if you like and once they get cleaned up a bit more I'll post updates and you can see if you were right or not. I have to admit I'm a tad excited about this so you will barely be able to make out some of them as I have probably scanned them to early to tell xD I noticed they are easier to see more detail when they are wet too.
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Ok wet vs dry what a difference

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 Posted 10/26/2012  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I decided to redo coin 2 wet aswell
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to me the reverse looks like it says CTONIPEDONVCC
and on the face CONSTEN/CONSTIN SPV--
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 Posted 10/26/2012  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second coin on the OP I think is Constans.
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 Posted 10/26/2012  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok how about this one keep in mind I'm terrible at making out the letters because I'm a noob. This is one of the coins I wonder if it has BD? it looks greyish but when wet appears much more green but it looks like the whole coin is that colour under the dirt so umm o.0

Too hard to read this side :c
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reverse: Man with spear? --ORINH-----MP
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 Posted 10/26/2012  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this one also green/grey
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left side: -ONCONV--?

goodluck trying to make out the reverse :P
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Valentinian I, Valens and family issued the type of a soldier dragging a captive by the hair which is the first of this pair (GLORIA on rx.). The second is Constantius II and possibly a falling horseman but both coins are too uncleaned to make full ID. If you must start with uncleaned coins, you must be patient and clean them a bit before expecting an ID.
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dougsmit => ummm, how come I/we never see any of your new coins? (I would love to know what a dude like you buys ... King's jewels, or junk?) ... I love your coin perspective ...
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Junk. I have showed many new ones but tapered off when the Smackdowns took over and made it more appropriate to match some subject. I recently showed three fakes (that was a bad month). Now I am 700 miles from home so am limited as to what can be shown easily but I have bought only a half dozen coins in the last two months with the most expensive being a fake that gets returned when I see the dealer again in November.

I realize that new collectors want to buy coins all the time but I have recently had trouble finding coins I want. I have the easy ones and can't afford the hard ones. I am not a mining engineer. I have no coins since the show results I posted including the Sikyon, worn Faustina sestertius and the fake Republican. I doubt there will be more before the Richmond show the first week of November. People willing to pay big prices for low end coins keep me out of the ebay market.
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 Posted 10/27/2012  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dekscolleks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wasn't so much expecting an ID on the those two I just was curious if they had bronze disease because under the dirt the whole coin appears green/greyish but it didn't show up so well in the scans, or could it be patina? Here is a larger soldier dragging captive My-First-10-Coins--Unidentified- if that helps.

Also wondering about a few things is there an FAQ somewhere? lol.

I read somewhere that collectors prefer their coins not to look 'brand new'/clean and shiny and that cleaning them up that much will make them lose value.

Also with spotting fakes is that something that comes with experience and/or research? because I'm tempted to buy some nice cleaned coins but I do not want to pay a large amount for a fake and am paranoid about it being new.

Yes I am very new to this and I do try to read up and learn as much as I can but I thought it would be good to hear advice and opinions from experienced collectors aswell.

Edit: Thought of some more questions while looking at products.

Are scales essential? Do they help define the authenticity of a coin? Why is weight important? (I realise in gold or silver it would increase the value, but for bronze?)

Is there a preferred way to preserve or store coins? i.e wax or some kind of coating, plastic sleeves and/or other.

Do uncleaned coins come with the possibility of being fake or are they all guaranteed to be genuine?

Is there a chance you can get Fine or VF quality coins in uncleaned lots or do they all come in average-good condition, or does it depend on the sellers specification?

One seller has said any other seller that says you could find gold in an uncleaned lot is a liar and another seller has advertised that somebody found a gold coin in one of their lots a few years ago with a screenshot of the feedback on their page. What are your thoughts?

Also one of the coins I have has orange on it that looks like rust?
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dougsmit => good luck hunting at the Richmond show (I'm always a bit jealous when I hear of people attending "live shows" ... sadly, I must live my coin life through this computer screen) ...



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Agree with Gil-galad (good eyes Gil!) about this one:

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I also think I see a '.' in the center between the two victories, I cant read any of the mintmark (would be under the victories) but you might be able to in hand Dekscolleks. Your coin is one of the two following examples:

Constans - third and youngest son of Constantine the Great and Fausta, Emperor 337-350.
CONSTAN-S PF AVG - diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right.
VICTORIAE DD AVGGQ NN - two victories standing facing each other, each holding wreath, dot between them.

Mintmark is either PLG (Lyon mint, France) or .(AorB)SIS. (Siscia mint, Croatia).

A similar example in better condition, these coins dont often survive in great shape:

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As Doug says this one is a GLORIA ROMANORVM Emperor dragging captive type

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It will look something like this example:

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Its possible you could 100% ID your coin if some of the legends and the mintmark become visible during cleaning.

Its one of the following Emperors, Arcadius, Gratian, Theodosius, Valens, Valentinian or Valentinian II.

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Cant really help with this one other than to say its one of Constantines decedents, I would prob guess at it being Constantius II but it could be one of the others.

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This looks like a SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE to me although the position of the legs is puzzling me , the mintmark is clearly CONSB meaning it was made in Constantinople, I also think it may have a wreath in right field and a palm branch in left. It is most likely of the Emperor Valens, here is a similar example from another mint.

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Also wondering about a few things is there an FAQ somewhere? lol.

Unfortunately not relating to ancients, just ask the questions and someone will help you out eventually.


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I read somewhere that collectors prefer their coins not to look 'brand new'/clean and shiny and that cleaning them up that much will make them lose value.

Yes and no, all ancients have been cleaned at some point, its true that you should try to keep the patina on the coin when cleaning if possible.

http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglos...n_patina.htm


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Also with spotting fakes is that something that comes with experience and/or research? because I'm tempted to buy some nice cleaned coins but I do not want to pay a large amount for a fake and am paranoid about it being new.

I'd say mainly experience, certain Emperors and coins are more faked than others, generally the 4th century is the safest and best place to start to avoid fakes.


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Are scales essential? Do they help define the authenticity of a coin? Why is weight important? (I realise in gold or silver it would increase the value, but for bronze?)

No, not when starting out but they can help to work out what denomination a coin is and can be a factor when deciding if a coin is fake, not definitive, just a deciding factor.


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Is there a preferred way to preserve or store coins? i.e wax or some kind of coating, plastic sleeves and/or other.

Personal choice really, keeping them dry is the only really important thing, most people just use silica gel pouches for that, the kind you get in the box when you buy shoes is fine. I sometimes use Renaissance Wax but not all the time and I just keep my coins in a wooden box on trays, many others use
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Do uncleaned coins come with the possibility of being fake or are they all guaranteed to be genuine?

Very unlikely to be fake but it has happened, generally fakers will fake higher value coins, its relatively rare to see $50 coins faked, almost unheard of to see $10 coins faked.


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Is there a chance you can get Fine or VF quality coins in uncleaned lots or do they all come in average-good condition, or does it depend on the sellers specification?

Is possible, some sellers are better than others but usually 'uncleaneds' have been sorted through three or four times for anything good before being sold in bulk. The finder will check them, the local dealer he sells to, the exporter, the importer etc. Godd and rare coins do still sneak through but they are few and far between.


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One seller has said any other seller that says you could find gold in an uncleaned lot is a liar and another seller has advertised that somebody found a gold coin in one of their lots a few years ago with a screenshot of the feedback on their page. What are your thoughts?

Finding a nice Roman gold coin in an uncleaned lot would be about as likely as winning the lottery every week for about a year Anyone who says 'gold found!' in their lots is either lying or has included some tiny (and I mean tiny) Asian gold coins that are barely worth having. Gold does not tarnish so it will come out of the ground instantly recognisable for what it is, no finder would allow it to be sold along with crusty bronzes.


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Also one of the coins I have has orange on it that looks like rust?

It could be bronze disease, 99% of the time its green but it can be other colours too. Best thing to do is soak it in distilled or de-ionised water (yes, answering the question in the other thread, both are the same, just purer H20). I dont know if the other coin above also has BD, best thing to do is soak them both. Link to a BD article, might help, searching the threads here would prob help too:

http://www.collector-antiquities.com/89/

I've not used many of the chemicals mentioned in some of the articles, distilled or de-ionised water has always done the job fine for me.
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I'll agree with most of the above answers with two notes: Lately we have been seeing fakes salted in batches of uncleaned coins. You are never 100% safe but need to study and be watchful.

Bronze Disease is a very distinct bright green color. Orange is usually stable but the thing that makes a difference is that we should avoid soft powdery material that literally jumps off when touched leaving a hole below. There are many colors of undesirable corrosion types but Bronze Disease is unique in the speed with which it returns to a coin you thought you had 'saved'. It is rather like cancer in humans. We try our best to get it all but sometimes we get a relapse shortly after we thought we had it beat. Another soft covering (of any color) to watch for is fake applied patina which is sometimes placed on fake coins to make them look old or on overcleaned coins to hide the fact that they were stripped to the core. Neither is good but neither gets worse in a couple days like BD can.
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