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New Member
United States
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Hello everyone, I finally picked up this $10 Silver Certificate to complete my N. Africa WWII set for a decent price from my local coin shop:  Overall I'm pleased with the condition of the note and was looking into sending it to CGA for grading within the next week or so, but had a question about this pencil writing I found in the lower right corner:  Would it be a good idea to try and erase the marks with an eraser, or leave it as is before sending it in? Thanks, |
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Valued Member
Canada
156 Posts |
Personally I would leave it alone in fear of damaging the note.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1691 Posts |
These are very light marks...if you use a soft clean eraser with very light strokes(be careful to remove the "junk" as you go)you should be able to remove the marks completely without tell tale signs...good luck PS Try practicing on another common bill marked with pencil first!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1397 Posts |
I've seen people in the past frown heavily on cleaning notes (understatement), even when it is only a pencil mark. I personally don't see anything wrong with just erasing light pencil. Washing a note is a different story and should be frowned on in my opinion. I would try to lightly remove them if I believed it would not damage it. Use your best judgment.
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Moderator
 United States
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I would leave it alone. There is no way to remove the pencil marks without leaving eraser marks,IMHO. John1  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1339 Posts |
That's a very nice note....Be careful....I've had some luck getting them off ,,if they are light....Lay on flat clean surface,,firm hold....Gloves are best....Very soft,clean eraser.....Start with very light, one direction strokes,, look every time....IMHO
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3402 Posts |
No problem, erase it. Use long light strokes, not just erasing that one spot.
KK
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New Member
 United States
16 Posts |
Thanks everyone! I thought about it long and hard and decided to give it a go. I did some testing on a ragged $10 note I had in my wallet, and was pleased with the results. I slipped on my cotton gloves and held my breath, taking the advice of light, long strokes, cleaning after each stroke, and the pencil marks seemed to fade off quite easily. Here are the after erasure scans for comparison:   I think it turned out pretty awesome! You guys think CGA will catch the fix? |
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Valued Member
United States
72 Posts |
Awesome! You just increase your note extra 10%. :))
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Valued Member
United States
223 Posts |
Wish I had seen your thread before you decided to use an eraser. Basically any rubbing of foreign material would take some layer of paper off. If you do decide to send it in to grade it just may come back with a NET grade.
In the future if you must remove light pencil marks from any printed media you should be using a kneaded eraser. These erasers are like soft clay and can basically pick up pencil marks rather than rub them off. And when using them you should still go easy and just roll them back and forth over the surface rather than rubbing on the paper.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I am not really into notes. First of all, I would not attempt to clean it, at least to begin with.
By way of experiment, I would get a common note, in the same condition form circulation, and mark it with a pencil in the same position to reproduce the mark as closely as possible. I would then attempt to remove it with a white pencil eraser. My next step would be to take both notes to a note expert and ask for his opinion.
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Valued Member
United Arab Emirates
242 Posts |
As per experts advices, Pencil marks will yield to ordinary erasing with a piece of soft "Art-gum" worked gently over the surface and brushed away with an artist's camel-hair brush. What you have done, most probably, will be noticed by any reputed TPG (and I'm very curious to see what will they grade it?!) Meanwhile, I would not recommend CGA for grading! However, it should not receive Apparent/NET grade, if no damage to or heavy stains on the paper (IMHO) I would not suggest removing light/heavy stains from a note. As, it will diminish its eye appeal and value as well as, I would be cheated others if decided to re-sell it one day ( in case I didn't mention the defects). It might qualify for a grade like CGA "MS 60" or PCGS "NEW 60" or PMG "UNC 60" ( in case it was UNC). As per PCGS definition of NEW 60: A "60" note will remain strictly uncirculated with absolutely no folds or bends that extend into the design. Notes at this grade level typically will have one or more significant faults that detract from the note's appearance, such as slight loss of color, paper toning, minor foxing, two or more corner folds, flat and lifeless paper, pinholes, or a small staining spot or two. A note in this grade will be generally unattractive, although it will technically be New or "uncirculated".As per PMG definition of UNC 60: A note with problems that result in diminished eye appeal (i.e. toned paper, small stain, fading, etc.), but no folds through the design. Cheers |
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New Member
United States
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Damn, this is what I get for being too impulsive. Hopefully I didn't do too much damage. To my untrained eye, the erasure looks flawless, but I'm still fairly new to currency collecting and probably don't see something that an expert will spot without problems. Oh well, lesson learned  The note is definitely not getting anywhere near a grade of 60. What my scanner didn't catch is the light but visible vertical crease down the center of Hamilton's face. The rest of the note is nice, and the paper is quite bright and crisp. I'm hoping at least of a grade of 40 or above. James4444, I know you posted in my topic regarding CGA already, but the links you provided seem to point to issues the company had prior to their sale in 2009. Would you still not trust them even today? From the topic I created about this, I've received conflicting opinions from various posters here. There seems to be a good split decision among the board members on whether CGA is reputable or not. I could continue using PMG, but the prices and turnaround times of CGA are very attractive. Edited by AldousHxlE
11/13/2012 10:32 am
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Valued Member
United Arab Emirates
242 Posts |
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James4444, any reason why you suggest not using CGA? I have come across several "over-graded" notes evaluated by them ... Cheers |
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Valued Member
United States
486 Posts |
"I have come across several "over-graded" notes evaluated by them ... ( CGA ) I was not going to post about this but I was just passing by and couldn't let misinformation like this go on. James, Please show us some over graded notes by CGA. John Spinelli, the owner of CGA is as good as it gets, the notes I've seen from him and his graders are as good as PMG and much better than PCGS if you want an honest grade on your note. It's well known by serious currency collectors that if you want an over graded note have it graded by PCGS, if need be I can show many over graded notes by PCGS. I would like to see an over graded note by PMG or CGA. I'm sure that someone may have seen one once by PMG or CGA because these guys are human and once in a great while they may have made a mistake. Unlike some when I say I can show "many" over graded notes by PCGS I'm not just talking, I can back it up with scans. I'll stop back in a few days to look at all the over graded notes by PGN and CGA. AldousHxlE, If what I see in your scan is what is seen in an eyes on hands on look I don't think any TPG will see it unless it's pointed out to them, and even then they may not see anything, if that's so then what you did was improve the looks of your note and for most currency collectors that's a good thing. Don't worry about it, it's a good looking note. Bill Collector Edited by The Bill Collector
11/13/2012 11:30 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
616 Posts |
I believe the overgraded reports on CGA were prior to the new ownership taking over. The new owners place a star on the holder. At least this is my understanding.  Edited by starbuxinvestor
11/13/2012 11:32 am
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