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Italian 1918 20c Overstrike Of A 1890's Coin?

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 Posted 11/13/2012  10:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coinaholic73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
received this in a pile of coins today, it looks like an overstrike of another 20c coin but the only design that matches it seems to be from the 1890's
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pho...lie/g686.jpg

Is it unusual for an overstrike of another coin nearly a quarter of a decade later?



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 Posted 11/13/2012  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe all of these were overstruck on 1890s 20c coins.The 1919 and 1920 were too, I think. So, not uncommon for this specific coin. You'll have to wait for an expert for specifics.
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 Posted 11/14/2012  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinaholic73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A quick look at the world coins book I now have access to shows that these indeed were overstruck on the 1890's 20c coins.
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 Posted 11/22/2012  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember it is documented 20 Centesimi called "esagono" are a restrike of other coins, and this is the reason because there are 2 types of edge for 1918 and 1919 (plain and reeded).
I need to check on catalog I have at home exactly wich coins has been used to restrike, anyway you can have a look at a good image of 20 Centesimi from 1894 at this page of my Italian coins collection
http://mycoins.altervista.org/Italy...o_I/UIct.htm
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 Posted 11/28/2012  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Verified on the Italian Coin catalog I'm more used to manage "Gigante" and it is documented that 20 Centesimo 1918 and 1919 has been minted using old 20 Centesimi 1894 due to few metal availability in war period, while 1920 has been minted with new metal.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanCan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,
I found a listing on ebay that might be of interest to this forum thread.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12102241811....m1439.l2648

I have never seen anything like this, but it illustrates nicely what you are talking about. I wonder what would this coin be worth on the market - seems to be one of the kind.

The below is based on some research I did. Some of those are my assumptions.
There were two years when the Umberto Ist 20 centesimi coins were minted: 1894 and 1895. It is unclear to me whether both of those years coins were re-minted into esagono (hexagon) 20 centesimi coins in 1918-19. I think both, since they seemed both to have been pulled out of circulation between 1909 and 1914 and I see no practical reason why those two year editions should be sorted. So far, I could not find a confirmation whether 1920 coins were also restrikes, Gigante does not list a "reeded variety". The interesting factoid is that some catalogs list two varieties of 1918-1919 esagono: reeded edge and smooth edge. Reeding comes from the over-striken 1894/5 20 cent, because the 1918-20 coins were smooth edged. So called reeded variety shows very weak, sometimes intermittent reeding. I would be interested to know what the new planchete vs. restrike mintages for those coins were.
Those coins were considered emergency issue and at the same time another 20 cent type coin was in circulation (Liberta Librata).

I am also interested what you Guys/Gals think.
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11/28/2012 09:41 am
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One last comment on the topic. It appears that the 1894/5 coins were reused in 1918/9 due to nickel and copper shortage because of the WWI, which consumed the resources. Amazing, how costly the wars were, and still are.
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 Posted 03/27/2013  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gabrimene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 20 cents esagono were minted in 1918, 1919 and 1920. Were used in the old 20 cents mints in 1894 and 1895 due to a lack of nickel during World War . There is often rewriting of the coins of King Umberto I. The hexagon countered is beautiful because it is like having two coins in one.

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 Posted 03/27/2013  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty cool design (at least one side of it), Coinaholic73, how about the flip side?
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 Posted 03/27/2013  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gabrimene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The variations are so many I'm not to list them because it would take 40 days. replied the hexagon is divided into: Traces of the old coinage and as I call it "Perfectly replied." I hope Coinaholic73 also places a photo of the right to see his riveting
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 Posted 03/27/2013  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I collect world errors, so, here is my off-center overstrike -

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 Posted 11/28/2014  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gabrimene1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Errors and variations: 20 cents uncirculated 1918 hexagon decentralized, obvious re-writing on 20 cents by umberto 1. Ribbed edge.

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Errors and variations: 20 centimes 1919 brockage and overstruck. Gorgeous mint error; the obverse presents a mirror image of obverse. In some cases it is possible to catch a glimpse of the footprint of the old coinage.

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 Posted 11/28/2014  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Really nice error coins, gabrimene1.

Thanks for showing!



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