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any help would be greatly appreciated
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Moderator
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 to CCF. Give it a few minutes for a pro or two to chime in. I am no pro but it does look like one. John1  |
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Rest in Peace
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Sorry but this looks like damage outside of the mint to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It looks like someone may have tried to fake a die cap error. Unfortunately, your coin has been deformed by hammering it onto a hollow tube as evidenced by the flattening of the obverse perimeter. |
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how can you tell if the damage is from the mint or post mint? sorry, I'm new to this, just trying to learn
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as far as I can tell no hammering was done,the images on both sides looks pretty good. I have had it for years, I cant remember where I got it tho as its been ten+ years. I just thought it looked interesting so I added it to my "collection" in my old lunch box haha. well thanks for the help maybe ill bring it by a dealer to make sure. does anyone know a reputable dealer in central MA?, I'm in Worcester.
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Side note: would someone really fake something like this especially that long ago, just to have it just end up in circulation?
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Pillar of the Community
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Errors have been popular for as long as mass production at least. That said, errors are valuable. So adding value to coins by forging "error" coins is DEFINITELY something people do.
People will do anything for a buck, lie, cheat, steal, you have to be very careful with collectibles!
My advice is either take it to a coin shop, or perhaps when a better camera finds its way into your hands, post better photos.
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Bedrock of the Community
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how can you tell if the damage is from the mint or post mint? A coin can indeed be damaged at the Mint but it is an impossible thing to prove unless you pull the coin from a Proof/Mint Set or a bag sold by the Mint to collectors. For all practical purposes, damage is damage, regardless of where it occurred. With that said, errors are not considered to be damage since an error with have a known cause. However, that is not the case with this one since there is nothing in the minting process that could warp a coin and produce a flattened ring that destroys part of the design. Quote:
would someone really fake something like this especially that long ago, just to have it just end up in circulation? You would be surprised at some of the oddball altered and damaged coins we see here that were found in a roll or in circulation. One of the most bizarre alterations I have ever seen was posted a couple weeks ago and examined by Mike Diamond, a well-known error expert. https://goccf.com/t/132278 |
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Looks like something I used to improvise as a washer to a web press.
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As Biokemist said, you'd be surprised at the extent people would go to, to alter a coin. I have the coin in the link he posted. Someone took 2 perfectly good Silver Kennedy half dollars, shaved them down then "glued" the 2 coins together with some kind of metal then applied a fake rim to it. It looks like a perfectly normal half dollar, but it's thinner than a dime. Can't wait to read the article Mr. Diamond wrote about that coin! :P |
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Also you cannot always assume the coin was altered just to decive a collector. Coins also get accidentally damaged. Then there are instances where coins are used to improvise a mechanical devise such as a washer (as mentioned above)or a shim. Then when it starts to fail it gets replaced and spent. There are many more non-collectors than collectors out there so we can't always assume damaged coins were altered to deceive someone.
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Pillar of the Community
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Lj
I live about 25 mins. north of you.
Only two dealers left up here and they
are not real keen on errors/varieties.
Did you try Lincoln in Worc. ?
Not sure what he knows about these also.
Also I know of someone in Ayer, Ma. PM
me for his contact info.
I'd also like to see some others chime in on this.
Am wondering how someone could concave a coin without
marring the devices. ?
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It is not a die cap. When a coin sticks to the die face and the repeated striing forms the coin into a cap, the coin face on the inside of the cap remains locked into the die face and can not ever be smaller than the face of the die. The full design remains, undistorted, all the way out to the edge of the design. That is not the case here where it is clearly starting to wrap around something smaller than the face of the reverse die.
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