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 Posted 11/27/2012  10:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am updating my collection inventory list. At one time I collected 1 oz. Kookaburras and Mexican Libertads. The dates for the Kooks are 1990-2007 (I have one of each). The dates for the Libertads are throughout the 80's, 90's and 00's. What's the best way to determine the value for these coins? Is there an on-line price guide or should I just do ebay searches for each coin? Hopefully the value is greater than just the bullion value. Thanks for your help.
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 Posted 11/30/2012  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Someone should move this to bullion forum. You'd get more help over there.
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 Posted 11/30/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shopaholic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@chesterb.. Since the Perth Mint started re-minting the older Kookaburra to their mintages, the market is suddenly flood with a lot of old Koo all in excellent conditions so their price dropped, and some dropped to just bullion values. ebay completed listings and some big dealers like APMEX's price could be used for reference. If you take them to a local coin stores, I think they will give you less than those prices. Good luck.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shopaholic,

I want to make sure I understand your post. Are you saying that the mint went back and reminted coins? For example, I have a 1991 Kook. Are you saying they recently started minting the same coin with the date 1991 on it? That sounds outrageous if it's true.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've given up on the Perth mints retailing exploits,if you can't buy at Dealers discount then,IMO,you will be lucky to live long enough to make a profit.

This seems a good buy for 100 Kookas,$4100 with a high Oz $.,surely silver can make US$40 an ounce again.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-MINT-S...em27ceb57f7f
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 Posted 01/15/2013  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read the Perth policy on mintage restrikes and it sounds like they had that ability but decided not to do to collector feedback. So the mintage did not change for coins minted from 1990 to 2012. Does that sound right?
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@chesterb: The latest I've heard is that sales at PM slump, many of their coins can't even hold the release price at secondary market, so they decided to stop restriking/reminting their coins.

Last November, they first stopped reminting their NCLT and declared the total mintage for NCLT coins released on and before 2011. They also introduced a new mintage policy where each coin have a mintage for a particular presentation as well as an overall maximum mintage. That is for NCLT.

There is some link from Perth Mint's official blog with more information:
http://blog.perthmint.com.au/2012/1...hat-we-mean/
http://blog.perthmint.com.au/2012/1...nt-declares/

For bullion like Kook and Koala, a few days ago, PM have finally decided to stop reminting the older bullions (Kook and Koala) and declared the total mintage.

Here is a link about this in their official blog:
http://www.perthmintbullion.com/blo..._Update.aspx

So as a summary, yes, they have stopped restriking/reminting their older coin. But I would say the damage is done and it might take a long time for them to save their reputation. Bad news always travel faster than the good ones, and the older Kooks being sold at a low price at many big retailers is a constant reminder of PM's wrong doing.
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 Posted 01/15/2013  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shopaholic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@chesterb: You asked "So the mintage did not change for coins minted from 1990 to 2012. Does that sound right?" The answer is the mintage did increased because of the reminting/restriking.

Here is the mintage PM released before reminting (for 1990 to 1994 as example):
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And here is the mintage after reminting:
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If you compare the mintage of 1oz (I highlighted them with red dot), you can see the increase. That is why price slump, people lost confidence and collectors become so angry.
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 Posted 01/16/2013  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Shopaholic. That was very informative. That is outrageous for the Perth Mint to restrike these dates. Greed!
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 Posted 01/16/2013  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lostwords to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully this would stop other mint from doing the same thing. The only way to stop these mints from reminting stuff is public (collectors) anger.
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