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1892-CC Morgan VAM Help Needed - REV C3B VAM-11?

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 Posted 11/28/2012  11:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coin really looks like a slanted date obverse and the reverse matched the C3b image on VAMWorld, but the images of the VAM-11 reverse did not match. Help please.

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 Posted 11/28/2012  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The full coin reverse image on VW that is borrowed from Heritage looks like a match to your coin to me. The small photo of the mint mark in the V-11 listing doesn't seem to match up. It may have been added to the site page in error. The full coin photo is attributed by ANACS and I would trust their attributions before any others. Hope that opinion helps. There are some errors on the individual listings and are being updated and corrected daily. Noel
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It does help, because until I saw that image, I was pretty sure on the VAM-11 attribution. This definitely appears to me to be the slanted date with the C3b reverse. I'm going to wait for a few more opinions (especially SsuperDdave's) and will continue to hope that it is the VAM-11, as that one has a rarity rating of 5.
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 Posted 11/28/2012  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kellyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm hoping for you it is a VAM 11. I'll watch from sidelines with high hopes!
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The mint mark detail at VAMworld is erroneous.

This is C3b - the MM is diagnostic to a certainty. That limits you to three choices, as you know, and the date location is the first place to look as all three differ. Not to mention, V2 has a tilted date as well.

Except yours shows no denticles.

So what you do is follow the right edge of the stroke of the 1 up into the hair, and observe where it intersects. V2 and V11 are very close in this regard - they're a little less than half a denticle apart at the rim - but for my money, your date falls left of where V2 *could* by this measurement.

So in my opinion it's VAM-11. With that said, discount the R5 Rarity. These are purely estimates on Leroy's part unless evidence and experience by the community at large tends to inform them, and that's only happening with the more popular VAMs so far. This isn't one of those, and it would be considered bad form by the pedants among VAMmers (raises hand) to use that rating as an advertising hook.

One more possible telltale. I noticed something in the hair of the plate coin at VW - an apparent die scratch in the hair, here:

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Look on the plate coin for what I mean - the line runs southwest-northeast from the tip of the curl - and then on your own coin for the same. Even worn, that location is protected and it should be visible on yours if it exists. Only a positive result is definitive. I might be wrong about what I see on the plate coin, and it might have worn off the die before your coin was struck.

But if it's there on yours, too, I think we can call it a lock.
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I see exactly what you mean on the plate coin. If it's on mine, it's faint. It's much easier to see on an uncirculated, untoned example than on mine. Here is the pic:

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That said, I'm comfortable selling this as a VAM-11. In light of what you said, I won't use the rarity as a selling point. It is never my desire to mislead anyone. Thank you so much for your help.
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