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1793 Wreath Cent Variety Help Please - Sheldon 6?

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Hi Everyone,

I recently purchased this 1793 Wreath Cent and am having trouble id'ing which variety it is.

So far, I have narrowed it down to a Sheldon 6 - I believe.

It is in a PCGS Genuine Slab due to the surface damage.

Would any of our more knowledgeable members be able to help?

Thank you in advance!

Vinnie

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 Posted 12/02/2012  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wish I could help - looking forward to other's opinions.

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LIBERTY not in the right place for 6. How about 8?
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When trying to attribute large cents, I often visit the Goldberg site which displays the Holmes collection:

http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...4&lang=1#toc

Yes, your specimen does appear to be Sheldon 8. There's a die break at the bottom corner of the E in LIBERTY. Also, there appears to be that bisecting die break on the reverse.

While your example isn't as nice as the Holmes specimen, it's nonetheless a beauty!



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Oh Vinnie!

Yes, S-8 IMHO. Nice coin!
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Thank you all so much for the kind words, help, and attribution, I greatly appreciate it!

I have bookmarked the site and will be using it on a 1794 to help ID it as well - would you all like me to post it too?

PCGS did certify it as a VF Details.

I have been thinking about submitting to either PCGS or NGC so that it can be reholdered (this one is pretty scuffed) and also add the variety to it.

Would that be beneficial in the long run?

All the best,

Vinnie
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Yes, these guys are amazing. I am beginning to get into early copper as well and this has been a wealth of knowledge.

Oh and yes, regarding the 1794

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The stem of the leaves below the bust pointing way over at the 3 immediately says 8,9 or NC-4 and the the row of berries coming up to the left serif of the second S in STATES says S-8 (one S-9 and NC-4 they point between the S and O). It's an easy attribution especially on a coin with so much clear detail.
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Hi Conder,

Thank you so much for the explanation, I will be printing it off to keep with it.

I was using Breen's and also Coinfacts and was not having much luck at all.

Here is the 1794 - it too is a PCGS Genuine VF Details with Altered Surfaces.

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Here is the last pic of the 1794.


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The assymetric strike of the obverse denticles probably makes this Sheldon-65
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Though I know little about varieties, these are both very nice examples of some of the nations first copper coins; even given the "details" grades. Far better than average. I would be proud having both in my collection!
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The assymetric strike of the obverse denticles probably makes this Sheldon-65

S-64, 54, or NC-6. All have the same obv and the heavy denticals at the lower left.

This coin has a fraction bar that eliminates S-64.

The short left stem starting just above the middle of the upper part of the ribbon, the berry below the center of the upright of the R in AMERICA, and the lack of an inner berry below the M all add up to make this S-65. NC-g has a longer stem that starts at the top of the ribbon, the berry is below the center of the R, and it does have that inner berry.

I don't see the die crack down through the 9 that is usually seen on S-65 so this is an early die state for this variety.
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