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New Member
United States
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I am new and hope I am in the right place. I have an interest in coins, and I thought that investing in silver coins might be a good place to start. I am trying to get a handle on the prices on ebay. Particulary junk silver. Tons of auctions with people bidding over $30 for an ounce of 90% silver coins. Am I missing something? First of all isn't this a regular ounce not troy? And then they are only 90% silver. doesn't that mean that ounce only has about .8 ounces of silver in it? Are people really paying that kind of premium just to get silver? Aside from silver, I am not sure what kind of coins I am interested in collecting. I like old coins. I like coins that look nice and dont look like a clump of metal. Would like a cool collection to give my boys someday. Where does someone start?
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Bedrock of the Community
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 You will almost always have to pay above the melt value to get silver. Everyone whose selling is trying to either make a profit on it or get the money back they have into it. Also remember on ebay fees take 12 percent from the sellers so prices listed will often times reflect that. There will almost always be premiums but they can be minimized by buying in bulk from a lot of places. Provident metals, goldmart, APMEX, silver towne are some of the more popular websites that people order from and most of them will give you a lower over spot charge if you buy more.
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Pillar of the Community
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Most non-comemoritive and non-bullion coins are produced with an alloy consisting of 80-92.5% silver ( the remainder is copper). Pure silver is just too soft for a circulation coin. As far as what coins you want to collect it depends on what your real goal is. You seem to be predominantly interested in the silver value so if it is just the metal then you would be better off buying Silver NCLT ( Non Circulating Legal Tender) of .999 pure silver, or bullion coins such as Austrian Silver Philharmonikers or Canadian Silver maple leaves. However if you are looking at coins with a History you have a huge range to look at and you will be looking at coins that are only 90% -92.5 % silver(that's not a problem). I am assuming you are based in the USA so I am making the following suggestion based on that. General collecting principles: 1: Buy the book b4 you buy the coin ( Ie: do some research) 2. Buy the best you can afford 3. Noting point 2 buy what you like ( I mean find attractive) IMHO there is nothing worse than buying something you don't like for investment purposes and then finding the investment side doesn't work. Generally if you like it someone else will. As a start perhaps you might want to look at Morgan dollars... And a good book to look at is: http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Book-Mo...ilver+dollarThe price of the book is low and if you don't like Morgan dollars then you will have gained an idea of what you are getting into with coin collecting. The book will only sting you a little less than 20 bucks and I can assure you as some one who has learnt the hard way 20 bucks on research is better than spending a few hundred on a lemon. Edit: And by the way 
Edited by austrokiwi 12/05/2012 11:31 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 I would look for a coin shop in your area and chat with the employees. Find out what they charge for "junk" silver and compare to the cost for American silver eagles, silver rounds, and silver bars. You can also ask what they pay to "buy back" the same items. A good shop will operate with a pretty narrow spread between buy and sell. For example, my local shop charges about $3 over spot for single silver eagles and will buy them back at spot which I think is a fair margin. They also offer bins of silver coins that you can search through for pieces you like. Current prices on Walking Liberty half dollars are about $13; Barber quarters are about $6.75. This is a fun way to pick up a few starter pieces. Depending on your state you will have to pay sales tax on most coin purchases. Another excellent option is to attend a coin show. You will have the most opportunities to talk to dealers and get a feel for what is available. Purchases at shows are usually exempt from sales taxes which is a big plus. Good luck and have fun!
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New Member
 United States
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I understand the markup for ebay sellers, I was just surprised to see people paying so much over silver prices. Seems crazy. I have 1 coin shop within 30 miles of me and they seem high. They have $10 face value junk silver coins for $300. isn't that about $70 over the silver value? Aside from silver, I do like old coins. Someone local is selling Peace dollars for $45 each. I really dont know if thats average or high. I kind of like bigger coins, not something the size of dimes or smaller. Sorry to be so random, it just gets confusing with normal coins and then you start reading about Half Cents and 3 cents and all the other strange stuff. Then you have non-us coins. I can see how this can become a crazy hobby. Maybe its better to stop before I start!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Itll depend on the date and grade for whether the Peace dollars are a good deal or not. Numismedia.com has a price guide for everything that can give you ball park figures, completed ebay sales work as well just so you can see what the current market is doing
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:Sorry to be so random, it just gets confusing with normal coins and then you start reading about Half Cents and 3 cents and all the other strange stuff. Then you have non-us coins. I can see how this can become a crazy hobby. Maybe its better to stop before I start! Be assured we have all been where you are now. I recall reading on another forum a new collectors aim to collect an example of every coin ever made. A few days went by and that person posted an amusing up date acknowledging that they had underestimated the size of their initial goal. I started my interest by buying gold sovereigns back in 2002/2003. I didn't do any research and simply purchased from ebay and local dealers {I can "see" some old hands smiling as they know what happened next}. I can't recall how but one day I found out their were Fakes! I was horrified I logged on to Amazon and purchased a book on Gold sovereigns. I had been buying just for Bullion value and the book made me aware there were some sovereigns that were worth far more than just the bullion value (BTW I found that of the 16 Sovereigns I had at that time only one was fake ...I was very very lucky). I started looking at higher value sovereigns but was still looking predominantly at Bullion value. To diversify I started to look at silver coins.....now I live in Vienna Austria and the obvious silver coin was the re-strike Maria Theresa thaler( .75 oz silver). Its not collected by many and first off I was just buying a dozen at a time at the exorbitant cost of €4.50 each. I then decided I better buy the book....which I did and suddenly I discovered a largely undiscovered collecting niche. My interest isn't the reason for the story though, rather it is to encourage you.... Do some research for fun! Ask heaps of questions here and make a few exploratory purchases based on your research. You may find you don't like the Hobby or, more hopefully, you may discover a passion that is fun educational and hopefully, in the long run, is profitable.
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Valued Member
United States
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Welcome billfaith! I am new too...
I also am beggining my collection/investment and am interested as well with starting (or re-starting) with silver. More specifically I am leaning toward buying some rolls of junk quarters and dimes. A local coin shop claims to sell these at spot price. My hope is to buy at spot and comb through them looking for the valuable rarities.
I know its possible to get junk silver below spot; I have seen about 5% below on craigslist and heard its possible with known coin dealers/pawn shops and at coin shows.
Questions: Are rolls and bags of junk silver often already looked through for coins like these (making my efforts for profit unlikely)? Does anyone have any tips on buying coins through craigslist? (With the price of gasoline, it will cost about the spot price of silver, thus I don't want to take trips such as these only to be ripped-off, waste time, or have a large wad of cash stolen with no coins to show for it)
Any advice is always welcome! Gracias, Vesper
Edited by Vesper 12/05/2012 2:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Billfaith! Quote: Are rolls and bags of junk silver often already looked through...? Yes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree rolls are searched by collectors many times, except some misses varieties, so there's chances you find something.
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
Thanks for the replies guys! At a pawn shop today I got a seemingly high price for 90% junk silver (something like $6.10 per quarter, when the internet claims $5.55 spot Ag value). Also, $10 above spot ($42) for non-graded ASE. Some of the ASEs where in (I believe with my untrained eye) to be AU or XF condition (basically a "new-coin" shine with VERY few marks). Do y'all have advice for bartering with pawn shops and/or know if this is a fair price for an ASE. Thanks, Vesper P.S. I do plan to attend my first coin show this Sunday... So I am holding out on buying till I have really researched all the options.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Bartering will depend a lot on the individual youre dealing with. Some people are just more open to it than others, but just use basic rules like be kind and dont give in to an unfair price theres always other places to shop. Being knowledgeable about the coin can help too as they may not treat you like youre clueless if you do, with pawn shops though they may in fact be the clueless ones. 6.10 for a silver quarter is pretty fair with the silver prices right now. The ASE price is high though for the bullion version unless they were the 1996 ones which do carry a premium on ebay being the lowest minted of the bullion set
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As was said before....Learn before you buy....I jumped in too quick on some things,,but learning is the fun of it!! Remember there is a vast differrence between bullion, and coins....scrap coins are bought at times face value....right now you can get aprox. 25x face.....Silver Eagles are a good way to invest in silver (1 oz. pure)....Sold in this area about $4 over spot....Plain silver rounds and bars is another silver play.....Good Luck with your collection,,,,and WELCOME!
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Valued Member
United States
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Welcome Bill! I'm pretty new to this coin/silver collecting as well - the whole thing is like crack to me though, because I'm thoroughly addicted! Silver Eagles were my first offical purchase, because I wanted my money to go into something I couldn't just blow, like how cash in hand is. I have a high distrust of banks and the Federal Reserve, so I didn't want to put any money into a savings account. With silver, you can watch what the market is doing, and determine for yourself when a good time to buy/sell might be. Into it further is the classic coin arena, which I've come to find is subjective depending on your taste and finacial situation. I'd really love to have a stack of early CC Morgans at high ratings, but those kind of purchases can pose many things to take into consideration, as well as pose several questions. Questions like : For my money, is it better to have one MS Morgan dollar or a gang of Mercury dimes, Washington quarters, Franklin halves, ect.? What would sell quicker, and what could potentially give me a better return? Like was mentioned earlier, coin shops will (should) give you spot on Silver Eagles, other than that, I guess it depends on what you have and what the dealer wants. The answer I've come up with to my own question is diversity. Just amassing a collection is fun! I love just looking through my small horde and dreaming about how much it's grown in such a short time. I'm sure alot of people here have huge collections of tons of different types of coins. It just takes one to start, then you get hooked!
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