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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
Just to throw some perspective on this whole discussion - which really revolves around customer service, let me describe what happened to me today. I bid and won a really nice FBL Franklin proof at a very low price. Eight days later no coin and no reply to two emails so I call this guy in California. He is busy, but assures me it has shipped. I asked him to check and verify by email. Everyone makes mistakes and he had not shipped the coin. Today in the mail I got a package with $3 in it(shipping refund on $2.50)and a flawless Proof 1962 quarter as an apology for the late shipping. In another package is the Franklin Proof and it is even better than the picture - easily MS-67 and FBL. Now that is customer service in spades and illustrates the other side of the coin (pardon the pun) of this whole discussion. Just to satisfy your curiousity he does business as Dottie's Coins and his ebay user id is egreg46. Everyone can make a mistake is is how you act and communicate afterward that really matter.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
I have a few things to say about this topic, first of all the insurance and waiting of 30 days has nothing to do about when the buyer can file a paypal claim.
Secondly the insurance is to protect the seller not the buyer and even if he didn't purchase insurance he could still file a claim with paypal and get his money back, the seller would just be out the money because of it not being insured.
Third, if I haven't received my purchases in a timely manner (no matter who's fault it is the sellers or post office) I am emailing and anything else I can do to find out the reason why and if I stop receiving emails I may find myself asking forum members their opinions on the situation just like was done in this thread.
Fourth, If I receive my money back through paypal and I receive the items I bought I would repay with paypal because I am not looking for anything for free but do want what I paid for in a timely manner and like I said the 30 days waiting period is the sellers waiting period not the buyers and no matter if I am the seller or the buyer that is the rules I have to go by just like everyone else.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2254 Posts |
Very interesting thread. I am amazed(although it doesn't surprise me), that Mikescoins decided to join to dispute the comments, and this thread did not get out of hand. A true testament to the folks here. Quite a few just offering up advice for this seller to help his future, even though to me, some of the things/actions did seem a little shady. I also applaud Mike for keeping it civil when voicing his own thoughts towards Ty. Any other forum would have turned into a shouting match in no time at all.
Kudos to everyone. Stick around Mike, and check out the coin grading section. It only takes a few good collectors to have a good experience with you to make a huge difference in your profit margin....
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Valued Member
United States
179 Posts |
 Was thinking the same thing earlier. Flame-free forum. Kewl beans.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
Yes we are mostly civil. I would be most interested to learn from Tykemeister how this ultimately concludes. Specifically, I would like to know if MikesCoins follows through on his threat to give him negative feedback and what he lists as a reason, secondly whether he ever received his coins, and third how those coins resemble the pictures and grade attributed to them? I think we represent a potentially large part of the collecting public and I would hope all this discussion might have had a positive effect on MikesCoins business practices, but who knows?
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New Member
United States
4 Posts |
Ty, The package likely did leave my town. Unfortunately, unlike every other shipping service, the post office does not systematically scan items when they are received, only if they are delivered, unless it is express mail or registered mail. They do have the capibility of doing this, as I have had some packages wind up showing as "This item has left our Jersey City, NJ facility" when I check the status. They just choose not to, and I don't know why. I get a lot of customers who get very anxious and believe that I didn't ship an item when they get the same message that only shows my software notified the post office that I submited the item for shipment. When the post office substantially increases their rates in May on parcels I will reevaluate whether I will continue to use them for all my shipments. I will probably continue to use them on at least the packages less than 1 pound, but I have found that UPS Ground is usually cheaper and even quicker than Priority Mail, (unless it is in USPS Flat Rate Box) As stated I really don't want to reship the coins, Paypal will issue Ty a refund because he put in a complaint and I cannot prove delivery. You would be amazed at all the people who put in complaints and leave negatives for me claiming non-receipt of merchandise when we have proof that the package was delivered to them. My Paypal account manager, btw, tells me I should refund and rebill the customer if they put in a complaint, as if I do ship after a complaint is filed, I am not guaranteed that I will ever see my money, because Paypal does not believe they are accountable if they make a mistake and issue a refund to a buyer when I have proof of deliver. As to my business practices, I have been on ebay for 8 years and I have over 30,000 positive feedbacks. Nearly half of these are from repeat customers. My system of communication, customer service, and descriptions in auctions are not ideal and I am taking steps to improve them. But, generally most people are very happy and come back, so I must be doing something right. Over time my sales have been evolving from exclusively ebay to about half ebay and half through mail order, phone, and website orders. I must be doing something right if I have all these people coming back and trusting me to provide them with quality coins outside of the protections of ebay.
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Forum Mom
 United States
5877 Posts |
It is unfortunate that the bad transactions are the ones that get the most publicity. I am glad that you have joined us and hope that you will continue to participate here. You are correct that the delivery confirmation number is not a true tracking number. It is only required to be scanned at delivery; sometimes it is scanned along the way. In discussing your past experiences, if you had DC to prove that the package had been delivered and you delivered to a US confirmed address, you should have won that dispute. Paypal has many rules that must be followed to the letter in order to be covered under their seller protection. This includes using DC on every package, only accepting Paypal for US confirmed addresses, and getting signature confirmation for packages valued over $250. They put a lot of this in the fine print which makes it very difficult. In the meantime, you have International buyers who have confirmed their addresses with Paypal but are not considered confirmed for US sellers by Paypal's rules. Believe me when I say that I understand how frustrating ebay and Paypal can be. We used to accept Paypal from overseas buyers and lost a large sum of money even though we had a signature confirmation of delivery because Paypal doesn't cover overseas shipments. Therefore, the buyer got to keep some pretty high-priced coins and get their money back. In the meantime, we had paid our client because we sell on consignment. We've had other issues surface also. I know how easy it is to just get frustrated at the whole thing. I'm very happy for you that you have been able to move a lot of your business off of ebay and wish you well. While I regret you joined us based on a negative issue, it seems to me that you are interested in improving in some areas, and obviously you are very successful in other areas. We all have our weaker areas and we all make mistakes. That's part of being human. I have to say that I am very impressed at how nicely you have explained your side of the situation and again I would like to invite you to stay and become part of our CC community. We all learn and benefit from each other here. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
882 Posts |
Mike,
Just because a claim has been made doesn't mean I can't close it. If you wish to send the coins I purchased from you, I would get them by Tuesday or Wednesday. This will probably be before the claim is even read, let alone finished. I would close the claim when I got the coins, and if you fear that I wouldn't, you will have your DC and I wouldn't stand a chance on getting the refund anyways. Or so I think...?
Never-the-less, you are collecting your losses either through your insurance coverage or the coverage I paid for in the auction (which ever you used). I will get the refund via Paypal. There should be no loss for either of us. I greatly hope this little ordeal doesn't end with a negative feedback. I plan on selling a few coins of my own this summer to upgrade my sets, and with my feedback only being at 30, one negative is going to make selling very hard for me.
Yes, you have lots of feedback and many people do seem happy with what they buy from you. I never meant to insult you, your staff, or your coins. I simply wanted replies to the emails I sent, assurances, and most, but not least, the coins. Ty
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