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1877 Seated Lib Qtr Grading Help

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Most of the seateds are low or very low grade. This is the best I found. What is your opinion of grade? How does the corrosion affect the grade and value?

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 Posted 12/06/2012  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From these pictures I would grade this at VF-35, possibly EF-40.

Nice!
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Would concur with EF40. That "corrosion" appears to be PVC residue. A few acectone baths and careful picking (I use a softened point of a toothpick) in the recesses would get the majority off.
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 Posted 12/06/2012  11:15 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, XF40. Nice die crack reverse!
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Thanks, SeatedNut. I'll try that now and post the results.
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OK, all you 'never-cleaners' turn your heads. I soaked it in acetone for a couple of minutes then took it out, placed it on an acetone-soaked cotton pad and gently poked at the accumulated gunk, re-wetting with acetone several times. Rinsed in water. Wow! The buildup came right off. The area of discoloration on the right obverse field is still there but less. I didn't poke at it (well, I didn't poke at it *much*... and no I didn't make those scratches). That discoloration was not raised and soft, therefore I figured I shouldn't try to dislodge it-- nothing to dislodge.

So I like the way it looks, but does it now scream "CLEANED!"? Does its appearance now change your opinion on grade?

BTW, I did another coin right after this, one I haven't yet posted. The other coin is a 1904 Barber quarter (does anyone else here call them barbecues?). It had a black splotch on the reverse near the rim. Most of the black came off but underneath was a copper-ish dicoloration, so perhaps that is worse.

What do you think of this coin now? Posting two obv pics, one for details and one to show the luster. I took a dozen pictures and it looks very different in each pictures. In certain light, the dark spots in the field look much darker.


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I am going to say XF40 Details.
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Another question about this coin-- what's up with the obverse rim, right side? Looks like the planchet wasn't quite centered or something. Does that affect value one way or another?
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Should have left this one alone. Went from a gradeable coin, to a gradeable coin with "details" noted underneath it.

A little grit on a circulated coin is not a bad thing. The coin obtained this badge of honor on it's own, through previous transactions.

In terms of dollars, this coin went from an honest $80 coin to a $40 or $50 coin. Loss of 50 percent.
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OK, well, I'll keep this one :)
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Personally, I would post pictures of the coins you think you might want to clean....then let the website members give you some thoughts on whether to clean or not.

Would hate to see you lose 50% value on the items you inherited.

Coins, 99% of most cases, are better left alone.

If you have a high dollar coin, NGC has a service called NCS and PCGS has a new service as well...they "restore" coins.

I don't agree with either company doing this, as they are receiving payment for the "restore" service AND they are making even MORE money when the coin is graded by them. Kind of like the bank printing their own money....
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ThisIsFun,

You're getting a lot of undeserved grief. The substance you removed was PVC residue ... no reputable company would give it a grade. If the underlying areas were not severely etched by the PVC the coin will retone. Acetone does not disturb the metal and if you were careful with the toothpick, scratches can be avoided.

I've had several pieces that looked exactly like yours. They were returned by PCGS in genuine holders. After the acetone bath, careful removal of residual PVC and natural retoning they are now graded. The key is whether or not the area under the PVC was etched.

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Thisisfun, That looks like a sizable die crack on the reverse. I think the coin looks better after the "cleaning".
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