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Fake Or Genuine 1799 Dollar?

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 Posted 12/29/2012  1:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this the real deal or just some fake? I found this in a large lot of mixed coins, so I thought it must be fake because what I paid is not even half the value of this coin if it were to be genuine.



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12/29/2012 2:31 pm
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 Posted 12/29/2012  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a cast fake, and a rather poorly done one at that.

EDIT: The obverse pics somehow just transformed into a rather nice 1888 V nickel.
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12/29/2012 1:43 pm
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 Posted 12/29/2012  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry in the original post I must have mixed up 2 V nickel photos, they are removed now.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a replica and without being properly marked it is considered counterfeit.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of the older copies of the early dollars will stick to a magnet. The more recent copies are less likely to. You want to examine the texture of the surfaces, color of the coin, look for a seam line along the edge on both sides of the coin, weight and diameter. Most of the fakes look like the color of the coin you have so that should be aa red flag right out of the gate. A real dollar of this period should have some color from the patina which comes from age and some mint luster protected by the letters and other devices on the coin provided the coin hasn't been cleaned.

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 Posted 12/29/2012  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The graininess, the solid rim, and the childish lettering of E PLURIBUS UNUM give it away best.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slowaltima to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took one look at the reverse of that 1799, knew it was fake immediately. Looks like a poorly done cast to me. The lettering also looks completely wrong, exactly how it would if it were a cast copy.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysilveryears to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date style readily gives it away as bogus. Font is all wrong and incorrectly placed. Tooo bad.
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Do I see reeding at the top of the first photo? If so, that would be the biggest indicator that the coin was fake. Regardless, it is still fake whether it is reeded or not.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely fake.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins such as this one would never be sold as part of a large lot of mixed coins.
Still, if it can be had for less than the silver value, it may be worth keeping, just as an assistance to your education on how to identify fake coins.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope the rest of the coins are worth what you paid without this. This is definitely a counterfeit.
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Thnks for all the responses. By the way, it weighs 20.5 grams and it's magnetic. This was part of a lot of mixed U.S. and foreign coins. I bought the lot on ebay and this wasn't even listed. Interestingly I also found a number of counterfeit Lincoln pennies in that lot. Here is the link to the discussion about those pennies:
https://goccf.com/t/137136
I think I can now start my counterfeit collection :)
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 Posted 12/31/2012  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Still, if it can be had for less than the silver value, it may be worth keeping,

Considering the silver value is probably zero, that would mean they would have to pay you to take it.
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