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1921 Morgan - Some MS Grading Practice

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Not my coin (I wish), but a great picture to grade from. The coin is in pcgs plastic.

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Then how in the world did you take such a good quality picture with the Slab? Sorry to say grading is not my specialty.

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GO, the pics are from Heritage.
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thats gotta be the best struck 1921 I believe I have ever seen and if it came back less than a MS-67 I would send it back for review
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gut feeling - MS65.

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Hmmm, a beautiful clean cheek and no hits at all in the obverse fields. I agree with Bryan1315, it's got a fabulous strike. There's a tiny tick on Liberty's cap, an even smaller one below her eye, and a bit of scuff on her nose. The biggest mark is on the reverse below STATES; fortunately reverse marks don't have much impact on assigned grade. This looks solid MS66 to me and I wouldn't be shocked to see a 67.
So, what does PCGS say?
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it also looks like they used a small "9" for the date also. It may just be me but it looks like the "9" in the date is allot smaller than the "121" in the date
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I haven't looked at Heritage yet.

Condition Census for the 1921 Philadelphia Morgan is 6/0 (PCGS) at MS67; I'll bet this is one of them. The big mark on the reverse is more than compensated by the magnificent obverse.

If I had that coin, I'd have never sold off my '21's.
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She is simply beatuiful. One of the nicest 21s I have ever seen. She sure is a breathtaker. I personally only go a 66, but doesn't surprise me one bit with her being a 67. Very nice. How much did it go for?

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>$12k. Top Pop. Population 11 now, according to Heritage, but 6 according to PCGS' records.
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Ok, rookie on deck. How about some help with terminology.

First. Top Pop

Second is this description:

Condition Census for the 1921 Philadelphia Morgan is 6/0 (PCGS) at MS67

It is somewhat self describing but a little further defining would be very much appreciated.
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Top Pop(ulation)= no coin of same date/mintmark/variety graded higher

Condition Census= number of coins that exist at a grade as certified by PCGS or NGC. Sometimes you will see PCGS and NGC census numbers combined. A high end coin like this will, 999 out of 1000 times, be in a PCGS or NGC slab.
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bio, makes sense, but what is the second number, i.e. 6/0. The 6 is the number of coins at that grade. What does the 0 represent?
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6/0 translates to 6 coins graded MS67 with none graded higher

Conversely, it could be 5/1 with 5 MS67s and one higher at MS68
The MS68 in that case would be the top pop coin
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wow I just can't believe I got it correct, once it goes above 65 I have a hard time choosing which grade it should be because the smallest thing can keep it from going that one higher grade. And once it gets to 68 anything I would ever say would be a 100% guess
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