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Help. 2013 $20 1-Oz Silver "The Beaver" - Two Versions?

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Hello all. Happy New Year,

So I'm really new to coin collecting having found the hobby via silver bullion investing.
I had purchase a $20 silver Beaver about a month ago and found that there was a ridge on the left side of the beavers tail which wasn't in the RCM photo of the coin;



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I coundnt load my image of my coin but this example from ebay shows the ridge I'm referring to. A search on ebay found a few examples but it seems that only the photos that are "home made" show this ridge. The other images seems too professional.
I can't acted one coin dealer, who quickly checked three of his stock and said they all had this ridge. So I'm left with the question does the advertised coin exist?
Does anyone have the real version?
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The advertised Beaver coin

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I can't see the difference between the 2.
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Sorry, I'm new to forums. Hope this is the right one with the ridge.
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Here is a picture of the same area of the actual coin. Not sure what you are referring to, but often the RCM illustrated coins are not actual photos and differences do exist. My guess is that there are not two variations but a difference between the RCM illustration and the actual coin that is produced.

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Excuse me but the Mint advertised with the same picture you have. All of the pictures are the same so where did you get this from?
http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/1-oz-....UOIry2-jaUM
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Ok. I got it now. Sorry. I'm using an iPhone and its tricky. My photos are too large to upload.

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I'm having trouble getting the right pic to come up. When I change or add a pic it change all of them.

Anyway, on the advertised pic the beavers tail is evenly treated on both sides. No horizontal ridge.

On my coin, and other I found online, the left side of the beavers tail has, what seems to be, a branch cutting through the tail. It's so odd looking that you'd have to see the difference.

I'll figure out how to work this photo upload thing and see if I can get it straight.

But somebody tell me the find the difference. Look on google. I'm going crazy because nobody seems to have noticed this.
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Thanks to canuck1us we have both image above. No what's up?
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You must use different file names, that's the problem.
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I think I see what you're talking about. In the RCM illustration the tail is "undisturbed" for lack of a better word. On the actual coin, the branch that runs under/behind the tail is actually causing it to show a bump there.

If that's the case, I would agree with Canuck's assessment. Most likely just the minting of the coin caused that raised area when trying to put that much detail in it.

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So are you saying that two dies were used on the one side of the coin?

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So are you saying that two dies were used on the one side of the coin?


I'm confused now. I only see one set of close up images and one not so close up of a coin. I believe both of these are the same coin/design. I think the close up is just accentuating that bump. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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We are not looking at the bump of the tail; far left as the tail goes over a branch. But it is a piece of branch in the middle of the left side of the tail.
My pic doesn't show the middle of the tail well. I'll work on getting excellent pics.
If you looks at the above, lower smaller, image in Canuck1us 's comment, then you see an even, unobstructed surface on both sides of the tail.
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