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1945 Merc Dime FB Vs Not FB

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If looking a numismedia, and comparing the values between FB designated vs. not FB, there's not that much of a difference in the value...

Except the 1945-P

Why is that? did they just have a bad year at the mint or what is the reason the FB is valued so much higher than the non-FB?


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 Posted 01/02/2013  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CGCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1945 was notorious for a weak strike on the reverse(Or worn Dies) making Full Split Bands VERY difficult to come across with that year and Mint.
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 Posted 01/02/2013  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a 1945-P w/ FSB is a true rarity
i would love to trip over one at some point in my life
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 Posted 01/02/2013  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1945-P is by far the rarest Merc in FB.
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As others have stated, the 1945 is incredibly tough to find with FB. However, off-center or broadstruck 1945 Mercs are relatively common with FB so if you find one like this do not get too excited. The reason for FB on off-center or broadstruck coins is likely due to the fact that there is less of the design that had to be struck up so the metal flowed more efficiently to the band area.
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 Posted 01/02/2013  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see...thanks for the input.
reason is I just got myself a MS66 (not in hand yet) and was surprised that it didnt get the FB.
But now I know.

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Is this what your looking for.

1945-Merc-Dime-FB-Vs-Not-FB

1945-Merc-Dime-FB-Vs-Not-FB

I'm sorry for the blurry scan but it does not scan sealed coins good, but this is a full rim, full back 1945.
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 Posted 01/02/2013  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With all due respect, jsbruton, that's not close to Full Bands. All three horizontal bands have to be fully split into two pieces, and only the bottom band of your coin is split.
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Here is a better close up, but I still can't get a good scan through plastic.

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Only the center and the coin only grades AU.50. You will not find a better AU out there.
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The top and bottom set of bands are typically split on most issues. It is the center pair that is what you want to look at first. If they are not fully separated then you do not have a full split bands coin. In 1945 the Philadelphia Mint may have used worn dies for most of the year or that detail just wasn't defined on the master hub for new reverse dies. Whatever they did/did not do that year concerning the dies a fully split bands 1945 Philly dime is an extreme rarity.

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I see your point but I have seen some really ugly ones out there that grade higher and for PCGS to say strong reverse meant a lot to me. I took the coin out of circulation over 40 years ago and the only way to find one today is on ebay or a coin dealer, and you can expect to pay top dollar for it.
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Below is a link for a 1939-D Merc that I own that will show what FB should look like. All three sets of horizontal bands are full. The reason I did not embed the image is that the image is large and might affect the format of the page for folks who are reading this thread.

http://wsm.ezsitedesigner.com/share...39DP68WR.jpg
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39-D is also incredibly hard to locate with FSB - nice coin Tom! Take a look in classic grading from last week on my 39-D that I thought I had a shot at FSB UNC with but its just about 70% there only.
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You have some wonderful toys, Tom.
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No, '39-D is one of the best struck dates of the whole series and usually has full bands (several have been certified as MS69FB, and it's a popular choice for type sets). '39-S is the one that's hard to get with full bands.

1923 is another well-struck date:
1945-Merc-Dime-FB-Vs-Not-FB
1923 Mercury Dime by CaptainFwiffo, on Flickr
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