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So I was crawling ebay for to find some proof Kennedy's to fill in holes in my Whitman Classic folder. I came across this auction that's a nicely-filled Dansco, sans silver proofs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-2012-K...80546969896&Now on the first page it has holes for '65, '66, & '67, of course, and 3 slots labeled "1965 SMS", "1966 SMS", & "1967 SMS" (SMS stands for "Special Mint Set" in case some of you weren't aware). Fine. I looked at my Whitman and those holes aren't there, and on the back where populations are listed, it makes no mention of SMS's for those years. Checking my trusty Red Book, in the Kennedy halves section, it too makes no mention of any SMS's in the half dollar pages, but it does mention them specifically and in great detail in the mint sets section. So for my Whitman, I just chalk that up to the SMS coins not being part of what the publisher wanted to do with the album (neither does it have holes for '79S Types I & II and '81S Types I & II). My question is why would Red Book not list the SMS Kennedy's in the half dollar section? Similarly the quarter dollar section makes no mention either. The mintage counts on the half dollar and quarter dollar pages do not include the SMS mintage #'s.  |
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My guess would be that they were only issued in mint sets, and not as a circ. coin. JMO.
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Chris, I thought the same thing initially but they do include the S and Silver S mintage numbers in the standard half dollar pages. And those are not intended for circulation, right?
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the S and Silver S mintage numbers in the standard half dollar pages. And those are not intended for circulation, right? Your are correct. Maybe this will help; The 65,66, & 67 SMS sets were only available as a set & not as individual coins unlike the S and Silver S. The SMS sets are uniquely made for those years. As the process for minting proofs is double strike on a polished planchets, where the SMS's were over polished dies & a single strike on unpolished planchets. Which is also a different minting process altogether than circ. coins. On a different note; How are You & Your Family doing after the incident? I hope all is well. Edited by chris12018
01/07/2013 10:53 am
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SMS stands for "Special Mint Set" in case some of you weren't aware To expand for those passing through... From 1965 to 1967, there were no proof sets or mint sets. Instead, there was the hybrid Special Mint Set. Better than uncirculated, but not quite proof. However, the earlier strikes of each die pair often had a proof like cameo appearance. Quote:My question is why would Red Book not list the SMS Kennedy's in the half dollar section? Good question. I think that they at least deserve a footnote to mention them. |
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Thanks jbuck  That helped clear some things up for me. |
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Chris, I thought the same thing initially but they do include the S and Silver S mintage numbers in the standard half dollar pages. And those are not intended for circulation, right?
* please disregard this repost - it was an artifact of my browser. And of the operator, of course. PEBKAC (ahem) *
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Maybe this will help; The 65,66, & 67 SMS sets were only available as a set & not as individual coins unlike the S and Silver S. The SMS sets are uniquely made for those years. As the process for minting proofs is double strike on a polished planchets, where the SMS's were over polished dies & a single strike on unpolished planchets. Which is also a different minting process altogether than circ. coins.
Chris, I think I see what you're getting at. But are the Ag-S available as individual coins? To my knowledge there is no option to obtain these from the mint outside of some sort of a set. Same with the recent S-proof issues (yeah, ATB 2012s have CIRC S'es but that's an anomaly). I'm still a bit confused. :) Quote:
On a different note; How are You & Your Family doing after the incident? I hope all is well. Thanks Chris, that means a lot.  We're doing fine. No one was hurt and the papers are into the insurance company so we'll see how things turn out. Oh, here's my newest addition to the family:  Quote:Quote:My question is why would Red Book not list the SMS Kennedy's in the half dollar section? Good question. I think that they at least deserve a footnote to mention them. I agree, jbuck. Mainly because it IS a JFK half dollar. Needs to be included in the half dollar pages, IMO, if only in a footnote. Just so that collectors are aware. Now of course if you are an experienced collector, you'll know. But even then it seems odd to have to consult two separate sections of the Red Book for numbers on (nearly) the same coin. |
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Oh, here's my newest addition to the family:
She sure is pretty.  Does she have a name? I picked up a 1900 lb postal safe this past summer. Not only can't it be picked up and dropped, it's to big & to heavy to move once I loaded her up.  P.S. Check out The 86 Days of Dansco US Type for the gift you sent. Today was posting day for that type. Edited by chris12018
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But are the Ag-S available as individual coins? To my knowledge there is no option to obtain these from the mint outside of some sort of a set. No, they are not. All of the 1992 to date Silver Proof Kennedy half dollars come from the annual silver proof sets. After some thought, I believe that the Red Book equates the SMS to a normal mint set. The annual mint set coins are included in the normal business strike mintage and not mentioned separately. Also, I have always held that the satin finish mint set coins of 2005~2010 are a different type, yet the only mention of them in the Red Book is as a footnote in the mint set section. Consider this as well... the Kennedy half dollar Dansco (8166) is the only one that includes the 1965~1966 SMS coins. None of the others do. |
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P.S. Check out The 86 Days of Dansco US Type for the gift you sent. Today was posting day for that type. Looks great, Chris! Glad you were able to use it in your collection! Quote:Also, I have always held that the satin finish mint set coins of 2005~2010 are a different type, yet the only mention of them in the Red Book is as a footnote in the mint set section. I agree with that. Are those numbers (satin finish) not included in the numbers in the various sections? If I were running the show, it would look like (in the half dollar pages): 1965..............55,879,366 1965 SMS......2,360,000 Quote:Consider this as well... the Kennedy half dollar Dansco (8166) is the only one that includes the 1965~1966 SMS coins. None of the others do. jbuck, that's basically what caused me to start this very thread.  |
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I agree with that. Are those numbers (satin finish) not included in the numbers in the various sections? They are included with the mintage total. Quote:
jbuck, that's basically what caused me to start this very thread. I probably could have assumed that, but I wanted to make sure the other readers were aware of it.  |
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