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Worn die? Not at all. That is a coin made somewhere in Rome by a possible clarivoyant coin maker. Why do you think so many of our monitary systems coins state "E Pluribus Unum"? That's Roman you know. That Roman coin maker well knew what he was doing only he put the present year on the coin, not when it will come to be.   |
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In looking at the date closeup again, I wonder if this is very old PMD followed by corrosion. Looks like a gouge exactly over the 1, perhaps a trace of the left side of the base of the 1 remaining. But if so, why would the gouge start/stop at the bottom of the bust? |
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That would be awesome if it were an S! I can't tell from the pictures (I will try to look during lunch when I have more time) - ThisIsFun, you know an S would make this valuable even in this condition.
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I would love for it to be an S but I think it's too far gone to tell or to matter much.
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Even extremely worn S examples are worth a bit as hole fillers.  |
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I don't think that's an S, but it is still a 1101 years old coin  . |
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This is actually a pretty interesting coin. You know, that might be an 'S'. Does it look like an 'S', not really, but it doesn't look like a 'D' either. It looks more like an 'S' to me than a 'D'. The first number really does appear to be missing. It may have been removed and there were some traces, but those were covered by the environmental damage. I bet if you put this on ebay and acknowledge that you're unsure of the mintmark, but it might be an 'S' and you talk up how interesting the missing number is-that you'd get somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 for this coin. |
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This is a really neat coin. You can see a trace of where that number 1 was if you look closely at the picture. I agree with you that there appears to be a gouge which was probably covered up by environmental damage. I'll buy this coin if you don't want it just for the novelty factor. I think tht's a mintmark too.
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Hate to be a party pooper, but that looks like a "D" to me. Made at the Delphi (Ancient Greece) Mint.
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I'm going to vote for a D mintmark and then ask a question of the more experienced nickel people: would a (small! Light!) application of Nic-A-Date help that poor mintmark?
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Hate to be a party pooper, but that looks like a "D" to me. Made at the Delphi (Ancient Greece) Mint. Good one!  |
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My first thought is a "D". Looks like we got the year 912 covered for the "how far back we can go" thread if we can somehow make it out of the 16th century. |
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Gotta wonder whether I have undiagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder because I spent the last hour photoshopping PCGS mint mark photos onto my coin. Here are the results. The first two series show 1912-D coins (how on earth PCGS determined that the second one was a D, I don't know). The third series is with an S. There are various mint mark positions and I didn't try them all on for size but I'd say the winner is D. Delphi mint it is then. Each series of three photos shows a) overlaid PCGS coin with moderate transparency b) with more transparency, and then c) my coin. Oh how I would have loved to do an animation... justcarl, coppernickeldaddy, supgog-- you guys crack me up ninamason-- Nic-A-Date?! What, and ruin the pristine patina?    |
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I still think this is an 'S'. I think everyone else is only looking at what would be the upper right corner of the mintmark when calling it a 'D'. Yes, that part is rounded more like a 'D', but the mintmark is missing it's entire top left corner, why couldn't the S-bump be gone too.
The entire lower half of the mintmark looks more like an 'S'. There are areas where something is struck that wouldn't be struck on a 'D'. Anything can be missing, but nothing can be added on.
It's pretty tough though. I don't think anyone can ever be totally sure on this one.
The S-minted issue had such a small mintage that there might be markers to identify all known struck examples, which might be how PCGS was able to confirm that other coin was a 'D'. Unfortunately, those markers have probably been obliterated in this coin's condition.
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01/15/2013 03:16 am
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