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Coin Of Illiterate Tribal People - White Huns

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 Posted 01/25/2013  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is interesting that although the leaders of the Kushans (and possibly the Indo-Scythians and Indo-Parthians) and "White Huns" practised artificial cranial deformation, the Kushans were clearly orientated to India, a bit to the Greco-Roman worls too, in the gods shown in their motifs whilst the "White Huns" seem to prefer Zoroastrianism.
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 Posted 01/25/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add medoraman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kushans came from India? I have always read through my various readings they were the YuehChi from NW China, being forced out by the Xiongnu. I have probably 20 different sources stating the same thing if you would like the references.
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Yes the Kushan came from NW China. I think it is interesting to see how these different peoples seem to share many cultural practices. I think what is considered India is a bit gray, in many references and what the official boundaries are are often debated. I think what Masis is trying to say is that many of these central asian cultures mingled and mixed and shared many cultural similarities with the "Indus" and the Persians. If I am not mistaken the Hephthalites where also from the fringes of western China. The Kushan were not from India but did have influence in the POST Kushan era in the 3rd-4th centuries AD. They along with the Huns displaced the Shakas (Indo Scythians) and they then moved into India, They then dissolved and was absorbed by the Guptas.
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I agree AncientNoob. Btw, all of the huns in central asia were the Xiongnu that displaced the Yuehchi initially, save for the hepthalites. The hepthalites may have been a heterogenous group like the alamani in Europe. My reasoning and support of that statement will be a big part of the paper I am writing.
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You really have me interested in this paper! When its completed please email me a copy I would love to read it. I really wish I could attend your lecture. I have been eye balling purchasing a rare hoard (or part of the hoard) of unpublished Hephthalite Obols found in Pakistan in 2004. They are being published with a concerted effort on the parts of Dr. Alex Fishman and W. Pieper.

I am curious medoraman- what is your take on the Chinese account of the White Huns. Being unlike the other Huns-and having "white bodies"? I have been reading about much older Europoid mummies found in western China, in much the same area. I wonder if they are related, I wonder how much such a find would rewrite the history of the contact between east and west?
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 Posted 01/27/2013  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...Kushans were clearly orientated to India...


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Kushans came from India?-medoraman


No, the word "orientated" means that they were culturally influenced by and likely traded with India.

Thank you for the offer of literature to learn from, however I have written in a previous post on my observations of the various coins of the Asiatic invaders of North-West India from the Indo-Scythians - Kushans.
https://goccf.com/t/137754&whichpage=2
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My apologies Masis. I agree mainly, though I would give the Kushans credit for creating the strong bimetallic coinage system, strong enough to be replicated by both the Kushanshahs and Kidarites who came after them. I believe the Kushans did take many visual cues from India, but also strongly influenced Indian coinage in their own right.
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"I am curious medoraman- what is your take on the Chinese account of the White Huns. Being unlike the other Huns-and having "white bodies"? I have been reading about much older Europoid mummies found in western China, in much the same area. I wonder if they are related, I wonder how much such a find would rewrite the history of the contact between east and west?"

It was not just the Chinese, many writers both from China, Rome, and India differentiated between white and red huns. It was written that the red huns lived closer to India to the south, while the white huns lived to the north. This, along with some known cultural differences between the hepthalites and other hun tribes like the alchon and nezak, is why I believe the Chionites, (hepthalites), were not an identical group to other huns, and were most likely a mixed population.

It seems many ancient and 19th century writers mixed all of the huns together, and gave hepthalites, (for some reason the most popular name for central asian huns), all of the characteristics of any hunnic tribe.

The contact between east and west I believe has been rewritten. There were extensive contacts. Read Sogdian Traders where they detail large populations of Sogdians living and working in China, and even today by their names you can identify Persian and Sogdian ancentry in China. The sogdian letters greatly detail daily life of Sogdians living in China in ancient times.

No matter how some people try, humans have intermixed and coexisted much longer than most people believe.

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