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(Warning, this is a bit long winded) I have 7 UK coins in my assorted world coins. They are: 1967 Penny (What a massive copper coin!) 1974 New 10p 1983 Pound 1990 5p 1992 10p 1991 and 1998 Penny With a sufficiently inclusive Canadian Queen Elisabeth II typeset stagnating at 9 coins away from completion, I figured I'd nose around and see what I would need for a similar UK collection. After thumbing though Tony Clayton's coins-of-the-uk at about here and what Wikipedia has to say, I'm starting to lose the forest in the trees. Please help me, UK coin people. I will have many questions. For now I have these questions/statements that need answered/confirmed: 1) Where exactly should I draw the line between the decimalization era versus ante-decimal? The staggered first year dates of the modern set of coins make the distinction a bit hazy. 2) Am I correct in presuming that the portraits of Her Majesty on my 1967 Penny, 1974 New 10 Pence, 1990 5 Pence, and 1998 Penny are numbered first, second, third, and fourth, respectively? 3) 5p - 50p coins each exist in two distinct sizes: The larger original sizes from their introduction, now demonetized; and their current, legal tender, smaller sizes established at staggered introduction dates while the third portrait was in use. 4) The verbiage "new" on each of the coins ended when? 5) The designs on the reverses of the decimal coinage come in two eras (commemorative designs not withstanding): pre-2008 which did not change since each coin's introduction, and the 2008 - present, which are going to be around for a while. Thanks for bearing with this. Edited by argentum
01/25/2013 02:59 am
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1. Decimal day was in February 1971. The oldest dated decimal coins, however, are 1969 (I have a couple of 50ps from 1969, anyway) - they started replacing stuff before 1971 but went the full hog and replaced pennies and stuff on 1971.
2. They are not - they should be, and people will understand you if you use that terminology. They are instead generally refered to as their makers name. Gillick, Machin, Maklouf and Rank-Broadley.
3. In 1982 it was decided we had gotten used to it and NEW PENCE became ONE PENCE (I suppos eit was used to differentiate between the new and old coins which were dwindling away at that point). However, a mint error occured and some klout used a NEW PENCE die in the 1983 2ps. SOme of the mint sets bare this rare and very expensive error.
The new designs are great, you need a set to appreciate them though. And hold up your 1998 to a magnet - something like 1 in 3 or 4 are madfe of bronze instead of copper plated steel. (pre 1992 are all copper).
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Thanks for the info, Ben.
It's late here, and I should number my questions before letting going to bed and seeing what others have to say overnight PST/this morning GMT, then I'll see where I go from there in picking dates for my typeset to try and get.
My 1998 penny turned out steel.
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01/25/2013 03:00 am
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also 5p and 10p are now made thicker, out of a different material for 2011 onwards, just to add to the confusion.
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"This Yankee is getting dizzy" -
CCF is a great place to ask questions.
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Here is my previous query on a similar topic.
Needs to updated for the different metal types of the Royal Shield 5 pence and 10 pence now that they are in circulation.
Ken
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If you are looking for a type set, it depends on how deep you want to go. For example, a basic type set of the ordinary 2p coin might look like this:
1. 1971-1981. Machin portrait, "NEW PENCE" legend, bronze
2. 1982-1984 as above but "TWO PENCE" legend from here onwards.
3. 1985-1991 Maklouf portrait, bronze
4. 1992-1997 Maklouf portrait, steel planchet coated with copper ( cheaper )
5. 1998-2008 as above but Rank-broadley portrait.
6. 2008+ as above but new reverse design ( part shield ).
Some 1998 coins were made in bronze, presumably to use up old planchets.
Type sets for other coins will be similar. 50p reduced in size 1997, 10p reduced in size 1992, 5p reduced in size 1990. Not all years made for circulation, some available only in the uncirculated sets. 5p and 10p made in nickel-coated steel from 2011.
There are lots of commemorative 50p and £2 coins, and until 2008 the £1 coins changed every year.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks a bunch for the distilled information, Anaximander  . Now I think I can figure this out easier and have something to go on for the rest of the denominations. I'll probably go for the ordinary coins, so that's around 50 coins total. The 20p has never changed size, right? |
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Depends what you mean by "ordinary". I'd say circulating coins are "ordinary", if you mean non-commemorative coins then maybe there are 50 or so.
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The 20p has never changed size, right? Nope, but it has changed design and there is the infamous non date variety (I always wonder what the highest somebody managed to sell one of those for?) that would set you back £50/$75 Edited by Coinaholic73
01/25/2013 11:06 pm
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Right, augsburger, ordinary = non-comemorative.
Not going for commemorative or error varieties.
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The oldest dated decimal coins, however, are 1969 Make that 1968. Here are a 5p and 10p that I have in my collection from 1968. Sorry I only have a pic from one side.   Steve  |
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I think I have it now. All the major types of UK decimal coinage that I may want to obtain sometime in the future and the date brackets:
1) (1968, 1969, or 1971) - 1981: Machin portrait, "New X Pence" legend,
Half-penny, penny, 2p, 5p, 10p, 50p -- 6 coins
2) 1982-1984: as above but "X PENCE" legend
Half-penny, penny, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, pound (1983) -- 8 coins
3) 1985-1991: Maklouf portrait "Coppers" of Actual Bronze
Penny, 2p -- 2 coins
4) 1992-1997: Maklouf portrait "Coppers" of copper plated steel
Penny, 2p -- 2 coins
5) Maklouf portrait Large / Small size:
5p: 1985 - 1990 / 1990-1997
10p: 1985 - 1992 / 1990-1997
50p: 1985 - 1997 / 1997 -- 6 coins here
6) 1985 - 1997: Maklouf portrait, unchanged
20p, pound -- 2 coins
7) 1998-2008: Rank-broadley portrait, original reverses
Penny, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, pound -- 7 coins
8) 2008 - present: Rank-broadley portrait, Shield set reverse
Penny, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, pound -- 7 coins
9) Ni plated steel replaces cupronickle
2011: 5p and 10p -- 2 coins
20?: 20p and 50p (probably eventualy, lol)
Looks like 42 coins total, 43 if I want to include the 2 pound coin.
Compared to that mess, the pre-decimal Queen Elizabeth II coins should be easy for me to get a handle on, unless we have some composition changes there from her coronation till Decimal day in addition to the switch from Gillick to Machin portraits.
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Argentum - looks like you've got it. Heres a bit of a better list for the start of decimal coinage (because even I got this wrong, so I looked it up).
1968 - Decimal 10p with NEW PENCE legend first issued
1968 - Decimal 5p with NEW PENCE legend first issued
1969 - Decimal 50p with NEW PENCE legend first issued
1971 - Decimal 1/2p, 1p and 2p with NEW PENCE legend first issued.
1982 - First 20p coins issued
1983 - First £1 coins issued with ONE POUND legend.
1984 - Decimal Half pence's last issue as it becomes monetised that december
1986 - Commemorative £2 coins issued
1997 - First Bimetallic £2 made
1998 - First £2 issued
I suggest you look into getting the commemoratives - I could help you with that (I get a lot in change)
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I probably wont do the commemoratives, but I'll keep you in mind, Ben.
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If you are not doing comemoratives, then you only need two £2 coins, one from 1997 and one from 1998+, as the portrait changed. Don't be fooled by some people claiming the 1997 coin is valuable because the Queen has a tiara - about 13.7M were minted.
The 1984 1/2p coin was only released in uncirculated sets.
Look out for the 1988 £1 coin, which has a unique reverse design of a crowned shield. Only about 7.1M were minted. I think this design is more handsome than others.
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