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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Here we go again!
Hunt for the threads where I asked the Canadians about the heavy pockets and where jbuck JUST did the same thing. The Canadians' responses commonly mention the weight issue is something they have to deal with all the time. Whoever says the weight issue is not real has not experienced the situation.
Jbuck is correct in saying there is a way around the situation if everyone will take the time to think about every single purchase they make to not have change in their pockets. But the reality is that people are not going to want to think about it all the time.
And one thing to remember, the Canadians who were not around when they only had paper - over 30 years ago - also have not experienced both situations - bill only AND coin only. So it is understandable why these people have trouble understanding why we debate this so much. The people lived in a paper only and coin only system have first hand experience.
And one more thing that still never is discussed much for some reason - polymer notes may be the answer since the facts are the government's studies and claims of how much money would be saved are not holistic in scope.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Lots of us have expressed a view on this subject in other threads.
What is the Fed's view on this?
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Pillar of the Community
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Okay, unless I am missing something, in one of these discussion threads above, it was stated that the Canadian half circulated until the toonie came out and forced the Canadian half out of circulation, due to no slot for halves in the cash registers? So the Canadian half also circulated at one time, as their $2 bills did? I know that the U.S. $2 bill and half circulated before I was birn, but not very much, from what my parents have told me, and that was before my time. Anyway, did the Canadian half circulate more than the U.S. half, when it circulated? This is why, I want a U.S. $2 coin, but I don't want one, because, if we kill the U.S. cent, there will be a place for either the half, or the $2 coin, but I would guess that a circulating $2 coin would make more sense than a circulating half. Oh, and one more thing for the Candians of this group, where to cashiers put your halves when you spend them?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Fox, as a kid I liked 2.00 bills and was inquisituve about them. My grandparents and parents both told me the $2.00 bill was never used much here in the States. However, one of the things the Canadians had no problem using was their own $2.00 bills. They were as natural to Canadians as a $1.00 bill. Back before the Loonie and Toonie were even thought of the Canadians I knew wondered why we "Southerners" did not like/use our $2.00 bills. I have no idea and never did hear/find a good answer. The only thing I could ever figure was that maybe b/c Canadian denominations were different colors? There was never a mistake made as to what bill was being handed to them.  As far as Canadian halves go... al the time I was growing up in the 60s - 80s, (near the border - back and forth and immersed in the Canadian culture[s]) my grandfather and I travelled extensively in Canada. Since we collected coins, we were interested in finding their halves and (voyager series, nickel) dollars. So during our many long trips up there, we would try to find a bank that had them. There were quite a few times where even the banks told me they had not seen halves or dollar coins in a long time and would have to order them (not good for when you are passing through!). Where were these banks? Anywhere we could find them - we were in Canadian banks from Newfoundland to British Columbia. The only rolls I ever remember getting were about a half rolls of 1982 halves (round and square jewel varieties  ]) and one bank sealed roll of the Jacque Cartier, 1984 dollars. Other than this we usually could only get one or two of each coin from the banks - they did not have more. From my experience, I would say these two varieties did not circulate much during these years. I do not know if the older, silver ones were ever in great use. But I do know I personally never saw Canadian halves or nickel dollars being used, and never got one in change. In fact a lot of the Canadian friends I have rubbed elbows with through the years would tell me they had never seen a Canadian half dollar. edited for syntax
Edited by Earle42 02/10/2013 8:08 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Earle42,
I believe that, for some reason, some people in the U.S. think that $2 bills were bad luck. They even tear a corner off them sometimes to negate the bad luck. I've gotten a few $2 bills in my years of getting them from the bank, missing a corner.
Another issue was, people "claimed" you could confuse a $2 bill with a $20 bill, yet no one ever complained about confusing a $5 with a $50, a $1 with a $10, or a $10 with a $100. They have also said people would somehow tape a zero on a $2 bill and pass it off as a $20 bill. But this was back when we had the old design "small head" currency, so, the only bill we should be able to confuse a $2 bill with now, is a $1 bill, because they are the only two bills that look similar, which is why I am glad that, with the next currency redesign they are redesigning the $2 bill. Then the $1 bill with be the only old style bill, although, I do believe that both, the redesigned $2 bill, and the current style $1 bill should receive security features such as watermarks, security threads, and a color tint (the redesigned $2 bill will likely be getting its own color scheme, but I doubt that the current $1 bill will be) The reason I think that the $1 and $2 bills should have security features, is not due to fear of counterfeiting $1 and $2 bills, but because of bleaching $1 and $2 bills and printing pre-Series 1990 $5-$100 bills on the genuine currency paper and making an excuse like they "got it out of granny's mattress" or something like that. And thise counterfeited would evade the pen test, because they would be printed on the genuine currency paper and would likely be accepted by the average cashier. Pre-Series 1990 bills had no security features, so printing pre-Series 1990 higher denomination bills on bleached $1 bills could be a problem, and as long as we are going to keep the U.S. $1 bill, I hope that this issue forces a $1 bill redesign as well.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Whoever says the weight issue is not real has not experienced the situation. Obviously..... *rolls eyes* On another note, I don't want to have to open up my entire wallet just to spend $2. I can reach inside my pocket and grab the biggest coin (which even the blind can do) and pay with it. I want to be incognito and not display the size of my wallet or where I put it for such a small purchase. Thank you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have commented before on the "weight issue." I've carried up to $26 in my pocket at one time (from purchasing dollar coins out of my register). Guess what: I barely notice 'em. WHEN THERE ARE TWENTY-SIX OF THEM.. Occasionally I also allow our friends from north of the border to use loonies or toonies to make small purchases and receive American change (I work right off the thruway and often we're the first stop after the airport . . . which is when they realise they have no American $1s), and I'm always stunned by how light the coins are. The toonie is like holding a feather!
They're not really an issue the way people like to make them out to be. But if you still think they are, you can't handle that extra twenty grams, make them out of a lightweight metal like aluminum like dozens of other countries do. Nonexistent problem solved.
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Valued Member
United States
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Normally I'd say people would only have a few dollar coins in their pocket and that really isn't much of an issue. But Nina, if you had 26 of them in your pocket that must have had one heck of a pocket. Personally I only have a few $1 dollar bills in my pocket at any given time. 3 to 6 bills perhaps. So if they were coins it won't be that much of an issue. But having said that, I always love paper money more so than coins & would love to see a polymer $1 note with a brand new design. Even if it isn't the most economically reasonable option, I'd just hate to see the greenback go since I love the way it looks. (the $1 and $50 backs are my favorite out of small size notes, especially the Funnyback $1 back, the best one IMHO)
Edited by Woodford 02/11/2013 10:00 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Nina,
Like I said, I had you beat 5 TIMES beat as well, carrying around $225 in dollar coins in my pocket and even THAT was not that bad. And yes, I do agree that Canadies toonies are very light coins, and in fact, the Canadian toonie should serve as the prototype for a U.S. $2 coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Woodford: It was a pocket in a $10 pair of men's khaki's* from Walmart. While I won't argue that the brand itself was pretty good for Walmart clothing (fourteen months after purchase, wearing these pants five times a week and doing all kinds of heavy labour in them, they're only now getting to too-worn-out-for-this levels of wear), they're not exactly Hugo Boss. Fox: I don't know how I feel about a US $2 coin, at least not right away. But your point only adds to mine--who needs to carry that many ones on a regular basis? Ridiculous. It's not as though we'd suggested all bills be turned into coins. *You men have no idea how lucky you are. Your pants are heavier/warmer, last longer, have better pockets, and cost less than women's pants, which seem tailored specifically to go "HEY! THIS TEENSY-TINY IMPERFECTION LOOKS TWENTY-FIVE TIMES WORSE IN ME, DOESN'T IT? :D" This is the silver lining in my gray cloud of being an odd-shaped body: less costly, better-looking men's jeans and pants fit me better than ugly, "trendy," expensive women's bottoms.
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Valued Member
United States
207 Posts |
There's also plenty of other benefits being a guy other than pants. I won't go into detail here but yes our work pants are gosh darn comfortable. I don't know how women deal with the stuff they wear on their legs, looks like torture to me sometimes. I think khakis are fine, I mean you don't want people thinking you got hundreds of dollars in your pocket when you're wearing fancy pants.
I'll also point out at even if you were carrying a bunch of dollar coins, you could always go to a store and just ask to exchange those coins for bills. They usually don't mind doing that.
I think the idea of making $1 coins out of aluminum and giving them a distinct shape other than a circle is a great idea. Good for us and cheaper for the Mint.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have an old thick leather Bass shoes coin purse that I keep all my change in (1/8" thick cow hide with a zipper, shame they don't make them anymore). At any given time it has ~$25 in dollar coins, along with a few halves, Ikes and quarters. I empty out all dimes, nickels, and pennies from it every evening, search them, and toss the culls in my change jar. It's never slowed me down, nor has harmed my pockets. In fact, the wear on the outside of my pants from my iPhone has done more damage to my pockets than the coins in them. When I was taking part in the Direct Ship program, I carried even more with me. Quote: You men have no idea how lucky you are. Your pants are heavier/warmer, last longer, have better pockets, and cost less than women's pants, which seem tailored specifically to go "HEY! THIS TEENSY-TINY IMPERFECTION LOOKS TWENTY-FIVE TIMES WORSE IN ME, DOESN'T IT? :D" This is the silver lining in my gray cloud of being an odd-shaped body: less costly, better-looking men's jeans and pants fit me better than ugly, "trendy," expensive women's bottoms. It completely baffles me why one cannot get a pair of women's jeans without spandex in them. Drives my wife absolutely up a wall every time we go clothes shopping. By the way, welcome to the Unconventional Dimensions Club. :-) Here's where I am: If you're a man who's strong but wiry and not a box, you're out of luck. All "off the rack" shirts are designed with squares in mind. My plain white and gray t-shirts are all XXXL... girls.* *Let the naysayers scoff, but as Real Man™ I'll wear whatever I please. I doubt said misanthropes would give Charles Atlas lip for his leopard print briefs. That said, I do not, nor shall not ever wear leopard print briefs, so I've saved you the trouble. You're welcome. :-)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Haha, Steve, I'm broad-shouldered and large-chested. I've been crossdressing out of necessity since I was twelve. (Women's clothes that I look GOOD in and that don't make me look like something you'd find on a street corner? I should buy a lottery ticket on those odds!)
And here is my final suggestion: If y'all are so unhappy with all that money in y'all's pockets, you can just send it to me. It'd be a trial, but I'd find a way through it somehow . . . possibly with all the nice mixed drinks it would let me buy.
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