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 Posted 02/15/2013  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brendan, there were some fantastic stats in one of the Australian Coin & Banknote magazine last year. I think Fred Lever wrote the article, it started with pre-decimals & then had decimals. Some of the details were regarding errors (e.g brockage, mis-strike etc) & some were regarding varieties (e.g Mule, incused etc). I'll see if I can find it.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember that article. From mempry his stats were all over the place but informative still. I think it was around August or September of 2011 off the top of my head?
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Trouble is that the stats on one area will vary from another.
For example I read that the dollar Mule was released in Perth. Searchers in Perth would find them but searchers elsewhere would find none.
Then, over time the stats change, desirable coins get found and removed from circulation while the remaining coins also get "watered down" by newly released coins.
Another thing to consider. Is that if you get coins from the banks, the newly released coins are much more common immediately as they are released, you might get a whole bag just of 2012 coins at the moment, or at least a fairly high proportion of them mixed in with other coins.
It pretty much all ads up to "luck"
I think I have been quite lucky with 2010 rotated 50c an with finding a wavy 20c, but unlucky finding incused 50c
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 Posted 02/15/2013  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny dreadful to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think I have been quite lucky with 2010 rotated 50c an with finding a wavy 20c, but unlucky finding incused 50c


Seems geography plays a part in what coins you may come across. I'm in Melbourne and have found 3 x Incused 50 cents; 3 x rotated 2001 COF dollars, but no 1966 wavy 20c, 2000 mule, 2001 rotated 20 cents nor any 2010 rotated 50 cent coins.

I'm noticing the 2001 Federation coins are getting harder to find - especially in the 20 cent. Also when going through 5 cent coins I was struck by how few pre 1984 coins there were.....
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Don't get me wrong.
I like to see and share stats. They do give an idea of what is possible.
However, things are not totally random, so even with fairly large sample sizes one person's results may be very different to another person's.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinStew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I once had a few 1966 5 cent piece's but lost them
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 Posted 02/16/2013  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, I've just looked at the article by Fred Lever in CAB Magazine; September 2011; Pages 58-61.
Here are some of the stats that he has put together, although it doesn't state anything about how many coins were looked at. It may just be guessing, but I'll list the following coins which are coins that we're looking for when we noodle through decimal coins:
2c 1968 - 1:1,000
20c 1966 Wavy 2 - 1:50,000
20c 2004 Large Head/Point A - 1:1,000
50c 2000 Incuse - 1:500
$1 2000 Mule - 1:100,000
As for how accurate these figues are? Some seem a little off (e.g 50c Incuse)
I find it odd that the 1c 1968 & 5c 1972 aren't listed considering so many people are looking for them. There are some other decimals listed as well as a table about Pre-decimals & a table of errors.
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 Posted 02/16/2013  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 in every 500 50c in an incuse? WOW!! I should be rich
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 Posted 02/16/2013  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bonny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I must have been very lucky, I found my 2004 Large Head the same day I heard of their existence! Went through about $3!
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 Posted 02/16/2013  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$1 muls man have I still got some hunting to do 9000 done 91000 to go
think ill just buy one
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Even if those statistics are correct at some place and time, YOU are not at that place at that time so things are likely to be different for you. Also you can still be lucky or unlucky regardless of the statistics.
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shanew.
Keep looking. I would love to see a photo of one you found for yourself.
Good luck!
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 Posted 02/16/2013  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny dreadful to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I reckon the Incuse stats are out by a figure of 10...you could expect one in 100 just of the year 2000 coins alone, never mind how many 2000 year coins are in just a random sample of 50c pieces...one in 5000 50c coins maybe overall?

Mule figures look to be pretty accurate, though!!


I go on the belief that even though the odds in winning Lotto may be 8 million to one, SOMEONE usually wins - I have this in mind when looking for those elusive coins
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I agree, I think the figures of the 20 Pointy A & the 50c Incused need to be reversed.
Pointy A's are much easier in circulation, whereas incused...take time.

That's where you need to have something more detailed about the search of certain types of coins. To find a 2000 Millenium coin firstly...1:50 coins? Then of all those Milleniums then what would the stat be?

Penny Dreadful; I won those lotto results yesterday with finding a 20c Wavy 2 in the cash register at work. That was my 1:50,000! So you might just be the next one!
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 Posted 02/16/2013  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think about 1:6000 would be close for the incuse. The pointy A 2004 is in my experience 1:1500. They seem to be hard to come by in Adelaide.
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