Bogus 1862 Civil War Token On Ebay ... A Fantasy Piece

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ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4415 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 08:19 am IMHO this currently offered ebay item is one of the more dangerous fantasy pieces whic gives the appearance of being a Civil War token: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...B:SS:US:1123 On one hand, the seller professes ignorance about the piece, yet he lists it as a "Civil War trade token 1862 rare." He has set a reserve bid, saying he doesn't know anything about it, other than it is rare! No refunds on this "rare" item! There are initially seven bidders, and this item, if left unchecked, could sell high to some unknowing bidder. I'm reporting it and will point to the online source of Richard's Token Database wherein this token is listed as a fantasy piece: http://tokencatalog.com/token_recor...eate_uid=411 Report this Post to the Staff

Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 11:59 am To verify your findings, I removed a ¼" of dust from my "Standard Catalog of United States TOKENS 1700 - 1900" by Russell Rulau that's the size of the Silver Dollar VAM book. I don't remember the last time I opened it, and on page #768 is the following; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - M.E. Woodward (same photos of the token that's listed on ebay) Caution; Fantasy Ralue #MV A413/Date-(?)/Metal-GS/Size-Oct24.5mm/VF-$4.00 (All incuse) : Within circle in lower portion: GOOD FOR /5/IN/TRADE. Above: M.E./WOODWARD. Rv: Blank reverse, on which has been ctsp in flowing Spencerian lettering: The/Victorious/Confederacy/1862. Incised, beaded rim on each side. (Phillip H. Buttermore coll.) The token style is 1880's. The piece is incused over another design on each side, no longer recognizable. It was purchased by collector Buttermore from a New Oxford, Pa. Antique dealer who believes he obtained it in an estate sale in Virginia. A forger purchased a hoard of genuine Woodward tokens in 1977 and proceeded to over-strike the center with the false 1862 Confederacy message, to bilk collectors. (Research courtesy Rich Hartzog, Bob Slawsky and Charles Cataldo) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - It sure would have been alot easier if I could have just posted a photo of the page instead of typing everything out [you can also add this information when reporting them] Edited by Broken-Coin 02/08/2013 12:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 12:08 pm ebay removed that quickly. Report this Post to the Staff
Dave H Pillar of the Community United States 1436 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 2:38 pm I saw the one you guys are referring to last night. If that one was already removed, the seller has already posted another here http://www.ebay.com/itm/1862-The-VI...em4850ac42a7 Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 5:10 pm With some extra tap dancing in the description: Quote: Some collectors say these never existed,and others say it could have...but its a wonderful collectors piece regardless and nobody will never know for certain if it did or did not..much like many other similar tokens out there. Can anyone name these "others" who say this is a genuine period Civil War token? Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4415 Posts	Posted 02/08/2013 6:00 pm Broken-Coin .... It was very nice of you to take the time to provide all that info! Hopefully, others who encounter these bogus pieces and do a Google search will find this thread and avoid the trap. I reported the second item, too. It's heartening to see ebay appropriately respond; and, so readily. Report this Post to the Staff
Broken-Coin Pillar of the Community United States 1812 Posts	Posted 02/09/2013 10:26 am After I posted the above comment, I checked the copyright info about needing the publishers permission to copy any of the contents and found that I can share (not sell) information as long as it's for educational purposes only, and with that said, future information will be in the form of high resolution photos for others to read. Edited by Broken-Coin 02/09/2013 10:28 am Report this Post to the Staff
IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 36738 Posts	Posted 02/09/2013 11:19 am Here's photos from the second time it was listed just in case it gets pulled again. Report this Post to the Staff
CheetahCats Pillar of the Community United States 731 Posts	Posted 02/16/2013 03:12 am Junk. Report this Post to the Staff
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