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Humble Nickel From 1913 Likely To Fetch Millions

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Can someone please explain why these illegally made coins arent hunted down and taken back like the 1933 double eagles?
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found this in an article on about.com

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Not much is known about the actual minting of the 1913 Liberty Head Nickels. It is believed that five specimens were struck at the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia sometime between the Summer of 1912 and early February of 1913. One theory says that the coins were struck as advance test pieces around July of 1912, with the expectation that the series would continue the following year anyway. Another theory proposes that someone was burning the midnight oil at the Mint, and struck the five specimens before the dies were destroyed in preparation for the change to the Buffalo nickel, which began production in late February of 1913.

Whichever theory you subscribe to, it's clear that the coins left the Mint in some unauthorized fashion, and indeed, no word of them surfaced at all until 1920, after the statute of limitations for theft had safely run out. Apparently, U.S. Treasury officials have concluded that they were legally struck, since they've never been confiscated like the 1933 Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles were.
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Can someone please explain why these illegally made coins arent hunted down and taken back like the 1933 double eagles?

Record keeping at the mint back then was shoddy at best. The 1913 nickels were never proven to be illegally struck, hence their removal from the mint could never be proven to be illegal, even though it is universally accepted that it was.

The 1933 eagles on the other hand were confiscated before release and were designated to ALL be melted. I think that edict by Roosevelt bound the burden of proof , that the Eagles left the mint legally, to the family that " owned " them. Something they could not do.

Where as with the nickels, the gov't had to prove they left the mint illegally, something they couldn't do.
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Huh, they are still pretty cool.
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oh, I see. thanks guys.
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Record keeping at the mint back then was shoddy at best.

Record keeping was not shoddy in 1912 and there is no record of 1913 nickels being struck in 1912. There are records of the dies being made, and there are records of the 1913 dies being shipped to San Francisco, and records of them being returned. There are even records of the dies being destroyed. But no records of pieces being struck.


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The 1913 nickels were never proven to be illegally struck

Well with no record of them being struck in 1912, and orders that they were not to be struck in 1913, since they exist I would have to say they were almost certainly illegally struck.

With the 1933 double eagles though there are records for those coins, and according to those records ALL of the coins were accounted for in 1933 (After paying them out was no longer possible), and in 1944 (after they confiscated "ALL" of the piece that had gotten out less the Farouk coin), and in 1946 (after they confiscated the Eliasberg coin), and today (after they confiscated the Langbord coins). But if they were "all accounted for" in 1933, where did these other 20 come from? Personally I think from legal exchanges at the cash office during the time period when they were in the office and exchange for other gold was still legal. That would have still kept them as "accounted for".
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