1865 Indian Cent Double Die Reverse?

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roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 02/12/2013 6:26 pm I just recently bought this 1865 Indian cent because of the huge reverse Retained Cud. But it also appears to have been Struck Through Grease maybe (the denticles and details are weak in spots on both sides) but also may be a double die reverse? The left side of the leaves are doubled to the left as well as the shield and Cents slightly. I know it is not the SNOW -2 . Any thoughts? Report this Post to the Staff

DavidZerbato Pillar of the Community United States 1081 Posts	Posted 02/12/2013 10:09 pm Looks like it may be a DDR, but I will need better pictures to tell for sure. Obverse looks cleaned and too bad for the hole in her chin. Looks like a very late die state. The ribbon and diamond details are all there, so that leads me to believe it is AU. Weak strike on the head dress though. I don't know what's going on with the denticles. May they are grease filled, it does look like that. Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 02/12/2013 10:37 pm I see the doubling pretty clearly on the wreath top left edge. It doesn't like like Strike Doubling, so that would leave hub doubling or double struck, and the coin does not appear to have been double struck. The Cud sure is cool! Try finding one that size in the 2 series and you'd pay 20-40 times over a normal one. Too bad the hit is on the chin on the obverse, but since all the interesting things are on the reverse it's not such a deal breaker to many collectors. I like this coin a lot! Thanks for sharing. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
roach Valued Member United States 364 Posts	Posted 02/12/2013 10:46 pm Her are some better pictures (I hope) Report this Post to the Staff
RedRaider Pillar of the Community United States 1018 Posts	Posted 03/31/2013 9:16 pm I would send this to Rick Snow. I see the doubled portions of the reverse and there is nothing that matches in his attribution guide. Due to the fact there is a huge die break could mean that the die was used for a very short amount of time, meaning there are very few examples available. You could have a new variety in your hands. Nice find. Report this Post to the Staff
Drsandman2 Pillar of the Community United States 1374 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 12:37 am Howdy there. In my opinion, it is not worth sending to Rick. This is Strike Doubling, although I really like your coin. If this were a doubled die, you would see doubling in the veins of the leaves. Mike Tyson must have owned this Liberty, she really took a knocker to the chin. But the Cud is very nice, I like very much! The rotten denticles are because this was an over-worked die. It is Die Deterioration, hence the Cud, too. Also keep in mind when you have a Cud like this, the metal that fills that Cud is not going somewhere else. Often, this is on the other side of the coin. Notice how metal is not filling the denticles opposite of the Cud. A planchet has only so much metal - when it fills the Cud it does so at the expense of something else. Cheers, and thanks for sharing. Interesting coin! Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 04/05/2013 9:30 pm Yep, now with closer photos I too see Strike Doubling, a very flat shelf like apearance there. No need to send it to Rick or even trouble him with it. The retainied Cud is pretty neat, I'd love to find one that big on a 2Â¢ piece, I'm still looking. Drsandman2 gave some excellent information on what happened to this coin. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
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