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Three Lincoln Cents: 1909-SVDB, 1914-D & 1922

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A few months back I bought a complete set of Lincoln Cents from a supposedly reputable dealer. The price for the whole set wasn't exactly cheap, but I felt it was reasonable as long as the key dates were (a) genuine and (b) in halfway decent condition as represented (1909-S VDB in Extra Fine, 1914-D, 1922 plain in Very Good). I have hesitated asking any opinions on the key dates because I always hate to hear how badly I overpaid or got ripped off, but enough time has passed that I think I can bear it now...

These are the best pictures I have been able to come up with and I'd love to get your opinions as to authenticity and grade. I'm also wondering what effect on value the various scratches, dings and signs of environmental damage might have.

1909S VDB:

Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922

1914D:

Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922

1922 [Plain]:

Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922
Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922

Thanks!
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 Posted 02/14/2013  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my non educated most humble opinion,

the 09 s vdb is fake

the 14 d can't quite tell if it's altered but I think it's genuine

the 22 plain looks genuine probably from die pair #2



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Quote:
the 09 s vdb is fake


I'd be interested in knowing your reasons for thinking that. I have looked at the diagnostics repeatedly and both the mint mark and the V.D.B. seem to conform to known examples as far as I am able to determine.
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The "S" looks like the right type and placement appears correct to me. What is the buildup of stuff on the left side of the mint mark? If it's just verdigris or gunk I'd say it looks like a genuine coin to me. Let some others chime in with their opinions. nlp
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I'd say it is definitely buildup of some sort of another. Whether it's verdigris or just plain old dirt, I cannot say.
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why would you buy a raw key date coin? There are fakes that are made very well!!
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Well, as I said, I bought an entire set (A Dansco Lincoln Cent album) from a reputable dealer. I'm not a big fan of slabbed coins and am comfortable buying raw coins from reputable dealers (even though there is always a possibility that the dealer was fooled).

To each his own, of course, and I fully understand if you wouldn't feel comfortable buying these raw from anybody, no matter how reputable.
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I can't speak to the authenticity of any but my impression of the 1922 is that it may have been whizzed a while back. The image reminds me of the "unsearched roll" I bought to educate myself on how coins can be abused with good examples of whizzing. The jaw, cheek and upper coat on the image of the 1922 remind me a bit of those coins. It could be the picture posted and the coin is fine in hand but that was the first thing that sprung to mind when I saw it.
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Quote:
I'm not a big fan of slabbed coins and am comfortable buying raw coins from reputable dealers (even though there is always a possibility that the dealer was fooled).


Buy the coin and not the slab - sounds like what you did!
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My first thought about the 09-S VDB was a fake as well. There is something about the rim, especially around the date & mint mark area that appears to be a cutout of some sort, like a Magicians coin.

It could be a planchet defect, but...it looks like the surface area is lifting up above the rim.

I have been wrong before.
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02/14/2013 1:47 pm
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Barryg, I'm no grader just hope they are all confirmed valid for you.
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I'll do it this way.

The '14D looks O.K. to me..F-12

The '22 no D, looks good too.. G-4

The '09S..
There is something about the 'S' that really doesn't look right, but it may be the way the photos were taken, it looks like it may have been 'glued' on.
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Here are some additional shots of the date and mint mark on the 1909-S VDB with different angles and lighting:

Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922 Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922 Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922

There's definitely some corrosion going on along the rim.
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Barry, 'S' looks better with that shot... give us a close up of the VDB, if you would.
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There's a closeup of the VDB in the initial post, but here are some more:

Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922 Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922 Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922 Three-Lincoln-Cents:-1909-SVDB,-1914-D-&-1922

Sorry I can't get any closer.
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Well if the s VDB is real I think it would be from Die 4.
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