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5 Lire 1820. Authentic?

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 Posted 02/23/2013  09:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add carlispower to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A find or a fake?

5-Lire-1820.-Authentic?

5-Lire-1820.-Authentic?
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 Posted 02/23/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I'm in no way an expert on these Sardinia coins. However, I take special interest in dates on coins, and the date is where forgers often make stylistic mistakes. Compare your coin to an example taken from an auction house (below). Note how the serifs and shape of the numerals are quite different from a genuine coin? I suspect your coin is a modern copy.

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This is thing that I have noticed. Still the coin feels right and
If it is a restrike Its a very Good One. Is there a record of restrikes?
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I have doubts this is an authroized restrike--wouldn't they use correct dies? Judging by the surfaces, it may be cast.
The more I look, the more I see problems with details--hair, lettering, etc--compare to real coin below.
I suspect this is a copy (fake) produced in China in the last few decades--an expert on forgeries might know more.
The market has become so flooded with fakes of larger silver coins that collectors should first try to prove a coin is real.
Sorry to sound discouraging, but such copies are very common.
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 Posted 02/23/2013  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DVC really is a dab hand with those little arrows !

CarlisPower: two tests - quick & inexpensive - for any silver coin are -
weight and ...
does it react to a magnet ?

Most counterfeiters can't get these correct.

How does your coin weigh & react ?
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It has no reaktion to a magnet and I dont have a scale . Willl update
This once I get my hands on a scale.

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 Posted 02/24/2013  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carlispower to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.muenzauktion.info/auctio...p?id=2347380

I thank you for your time folks. The hunt continues!
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 Posted 02/24/2013  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That auction was cancelled!
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From the auction linked above (rough translation):
"Attention: this coin is a later restrike for purposes of a sample copy, a replica without a year of minting, in other words a fake!"

Carlispower, now I better understand why you thought it was a restrike. With the badly formed date and lack of fine details, I would think it's a recent fake--most likely a casting. Compare to the real coin. I saved the pictures from the auction.

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 Posted 02/24/2013  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely a Modern Fake - not a restrike. It is a melt coin worth what it contains in metal.

There is a "look" to the coin that is just wrong. This one screams at me MODERN.
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