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1795 Three Leaf Flowing Hair: Off Struck?

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 Posted 02/23/2013  2:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nannie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

New here. Going through family hand me downs and came across this coin. Would like to know if you consider this off-struck, its grading classification, and estimated value.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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02/23/2013 2:11 pm
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 Posted 02/23/2013  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'm not sure of it's authenticity but experts will be along soon enough to take you through it all

Best of luck
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 Posted 02/23/2013  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stringboogie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
obverse looks fine reverse looks vf+ reverse slightly off center.so long as it real-looks real to me 2400-3500 my guess
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 Posted 02/23/2013  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you read any lettering on the edge? How about measuring its diameter?
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 Posted 02/23/2013  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly appears to be a B-5 BB-27 dollar though! The short die break to the left of the bust is hard to fake!
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Yes, On edge and clear: "**ONE**DOLLAR**OR**UNI(two characters)***HUNDRED(five characters)**CENTS**(four characters) then back to beginning.

Dia: 40 mm
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 Posted 02/23/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsandcoins32 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to be a little too big. Dimeter should be 32.5mm
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 Posted 02/23/2013  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure where that number comes from; these are 39-40mm.
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Value will depend on grade, and any past damage or cleaning, which I'll leave to others, but regardless, you should really consider this coin a national treasure, nannie!
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 Posted 02/23/2013  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eklections to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is actually supposed to be 39-40 mm in diameter. Here's a bit of information I found on this flowing hair coin.


Varieties listed are those most significant to collectors, but numerous minor variations may be found because each of the early dies was individually made. Blanks were weighed before the dollars were struck and overweight pieces were filed to remove excess silver. Coins showing old "adjustment marks" may be worth less than values shown here. Some Flowing Hair type dollars of 1795 ere weight-adjusted by inserting a small (8mm) silver plug in the center of the blank planchet before striking the coin. Values of variations not listed depend on collector interest and demand.

Designer: Robert Scot
Weight: 26.96 grams
Composition: .8924 silver, .1076 copper
Diameter; 39-40mm
Edge: HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT with decorations between words
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If not real it's at least an exceptionally deceptive counterfeit. I'd have this coin graded and authenticated by PCGS. If it makes a no-problem VF-20 grade (it looks better!) it should easily bring over $4,000 at auction. The off-center reverse strike may not add any premium but probably won't hurt the value.

For comparison, here's a PCGS VF-20 example that sold recently for $5462.50. It's a scarcer B-7 variety so its price might be a bit higher than your B-5 would bring. Your coin has a stronger reverse but the obverse quality usually carries more weight for grading.

PS: Good luck, and



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oops accidentally gave you the diameter for a flowing hair half sorry!
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Wow! I don't see anything that would make me doubt the coin. The reverse still retains a good amount of detail in the wing feathers and wreath. The bust is worn with very little hair detail remaining. I think the coin grades F-12. There is a pair of scratches by the 13th star but given the location and age of the coin, I don't think it would keep it out of a problem free slab. PCGS would be my preference if you would to get this certified. Just last September, Heritage auction an example for in a PCGS F-12 holder for $3535. Your coin may be worth slightly more since that coin has two more distracting scratches in a worse location. It is a fantastic piece of American history!
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I agree it is definitely worth having certified.
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to CCF! And PLEASE keep us updated on what you do with this coin.
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 Posted 02/24/2013  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nannie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your help and advice. We will have it certified. Will keep this community posted. We have some other coins we will post in the near future.

Thanks again.
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